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Wow, it's a veritable cornucopia of suckage tonight. And to think. It all started when I said "wow they're playing good tonight." :-k

Hmmm....interesting. They play well now that the season's over. Played good the 2 Brewer games I was at too.

Once he took an outside corner fastball for strike 3....he should be booted off the team for that and sent to Oakland or Boston. That ain't no way to play ball. I'd really like to see his walk rate without all the 3-2 inside fastballs that were outside the zone but called strikes. I would too. I would like to see the Cubs trade Pierre or Jones and put Pagan in CF and keep Murton in left. This way the Cubs can see what to do with both Pagan and Murton and get a good read on 2007. Instead, they'll halfast it and we'll go into 2007 with way too many question marks. That, is the Cub way of doing things. Yep. I agree this is what will happen. I don't understand 1) why the Cubs continue to think this is a good philosophy, and 2) where they got the idea in the first place.

Zep. Zep. Zep.

HOORAY FOR BASELESS ACCUSATIONS! :w00t: No proof, but he's................suspicious. I know, I know stop the witch hunts!! The site is fun. I didn't realize Dodger fans had such vitriol.

I hate you I hate you I hate you This is equivalent to me as someone being a Cardinals fan in Chi-town. I'm eyeing someone in particular here. If there is a God, the Pack will have to go through a few more years of bad football before being good again-------just like everyone else.

Don't do it on the misery of being a Cub fan. That's not right. Why don't you do it on the history of the Cubs? The history of Wrigley....and Wrigleyville. The renovations to the stadium over the years, etc. And you could do one on all the great broadcasters of the Cubs over the years. Then you could do something on all the Cub hall of famers. Don't give in to the temptation to call yourself "miserable." I still love being a Cub fan. I know they don't win often, but all in all I wouldn't change a thing. The current misery will pass, and believe me, when we do win? No fans feel the joy more than Cub fans. That's my 2 cents, anyway. Do what you want to, of course.

Seattle and Arizona are both better than St. Louis. I don't see the Rams making the playoffs this year. New coach too. Usually takes a year just for the staff to get their bearings.

Fight the Powah! Come on Matty, succeed in spite of this trainwreck.

Errors tell you absolutely *nothing* about defensive ability? Sorry TT, but I disagree. Maybe they don't tell you much about a guy's phyical ability to play defense.....but if you can't make the plays well then-----you can't make the plays. And 14 errors is so many more than many other shortstops. It's not that he's able to get to balls that others can't and they are being called errors. It's that he is just shaky on defense, like yesterday when he airmails a throw to first. Errors don't tell you anything. Sorry to break this to you. Yes they do. I don't care what "conventional wisdom" has developed to say it means nothing. If I've got a guy who continues to airmail the ball into the dugout, or muff easy double-play balls, he's not going to stay in the starting lineup very long. Especially if it starts costing me ballgames. I do agree it would be wrong to just throw Cedeno out because of what's happening only this season, under this incompetent coaching staff. What if his name was Soriano? Then I'd move him to LF 8) ....because he hits. Remember, Ronny isn't hitting, at least for the moment (hopefully he'll improve).

You are correct, sir! An amazing turn around for Mr. Jon. He actually had quite a bit of faith in this group before the season if I remember correctly. Just for the record: I hate being right when I look at the Cubs in ST and think they are going to suck.

Love Barrett to death. One of Hendry's good moves, before he lost his mind.

Few players would actually come out in the press and say "oh hell yeah blame our manager." That would be pathetic. Eyre's comments are stock for this type of situation. There's probably a "what to say to the press when your team sucks" class that players attend. If so---these are the exact sort of lines that are memorized for the test.

i bet cardinal fans world wide are bitching about this stat Few players post their best results after being down 0-2. That's part of the frustration of this team's approach. Our hitters work themselves into an 0-2 hole plenty. I'd like to see some stats on the # of times Cub hitters get to an 0-2 count vs. the rest of the league. I'll bet we're close to, or at the top, of that list.

Errors tell you absolutely *nothing* about defensive ability? Sorry TT, but I disagree. Maybe they don't tell you much about a guy's phyical ability to play defense.....but if you can't make the plays well then-----you can't make the plays. And 14 errors is so many more than many other shortstops. It's not that he's able to get to balls that others can't and they are being called errors. It's that he is just shaky on defense, like yesterday when he airmails a throw to first. Errors don't tell you anything. Sorry to break this to you. Yes they do. I don't care what "conventional wisdom" has developed to say it means nothing. If I've got a guy who continues to airmail the ball into the dugout, or muff easy double-play balls, he's not going to stay in the starting lineup very long. Especially if it starts costing me ballgames. I do agree it would be wrong to just throw Cedeno out because of what's happening only this season, under this incompetent coaching staff.

I always thought of And Justice for All as fantastically artistic----probably the most artistic of any thrash Metal ever, unless you start counting some of the underground stuff (which really isn't heard by many outside of very select circles of die hards).

Nothing will get Dusty fired, except the firing of Hendry.

Owners of the Red Sox care about baseball above all. Owners of the Cubs care about the stock price above all. There's the root cause difference right there, IMO.

Errors tell you absolutely *nothing* about defensive ability? Sorry TT, but I disagree. Errors tell you something but not everything. ARam is second in fielding pct. either in the NL or MLB and I think he's one of the worst defensive thirdbasemen in the game. Also, remember a couple of bad scoring decisions can screw your fielding pct. up. Having said that, Cedeno has been disappointing in the field, but, unlike Shawon Dunston, as another poster pointed out, I think he will get better and his defensive liabilities of today won't be talked about 5-10 years from now. I'll give Baker this, if he truly hated kids, he could've used some of the stats you used to justify sitting Cedeno. ....not by as many errors as Cedeno has over his peers. Those aren't just a few bad scoring decisions. When I said that, I wasn't referring to Cedeno but was referencing in general why # of errors doesn't always tell you everything. Like what I said about ARam. Yes, but if ARam is benefitting from Wrigley and Lee and all that, then that would suggest Cedeno's FPct & E totals are actually worse than they appear, not the other way around. I'm not saying that is the case, however. What I *am* trying to say is, many people sold Cedeno on the idea that he was an absolute stud on defense. I think it's been proven rather convincingly he is not. Maybe he is alright----or maybe there is room for improvement. I think you can say that about alot of young guys. But a defensive stud, right out of the box? That is false, in my view.

Errors tell you absolutely *nothing* about defensive ability? Sorry TT, but I disagree. Errors tell you something but not everything. ARam is second in fielding pct. either in the NL or MLB and I think he's one of the worst defensive thirdbasemen in the game. Also, remember a couple of bad scoring decisions can screw your fielding pct. up. Having said that, Cedeno has been disappointing in the field, but, unlike Shawon Dunston, as another poster pointed out, I think he will get better and his defensive liabilities of today won't be talked about 5-10 years from now. I'll give Baker this, if he truly hated kids, he could've used some of the stats you used to justify sitting Cedeno. ....not by as many errors as Cedeno has over his peers. Those aren't just a few bad scoring decisions.

No one was directly behind me It's still rude to put signs up during play---and if you do it then others will get the idea that they can, too. Security was right to tell you to wait until between innings. The rule is there for good reason.

Errors tell you absolutely *nothing* about defensive ability? Sorry TT, but I disagree. Maybe they don't tell you much about a guy's phyical ability to play defense.....but if you can't make the plays well then-----you can't make the plays. And 14 errors is so many more than many other shortstops. It's not that he's able to get to balls that others can't and they are being called errors. It's that he is just shaky on defense, like yesterday when he airmails a throw to first.

Practice your booing voice, and look for other things to do in the neighborhood before/after the game so the trip won't be a complete loss if the Cubs put up yet another stinker.

LMAO----it's so true. Pax is in his suit & tie, and it looks like they plucked Skiles from his lawn chair where he was sipping drinks. I hope he has a designated driver :lol:

I keep hearing that Cedeno's defense is good. "Hey, at least he plays good defense." No he doesn't. Ronny Cedeno: FPCT: .958 Ranks 26th E 14 Ranks near the bottom. 24 SS's ahead of him--a ton of ties at various levels. Range Factor: 4.12 Ranks 22nd Zone Rating: .834 Ranks 16th We can all argue who's fault it might be that Ronny isn't getting it done. Given the CPatt fiasco, it would be difficult to just lay all the blame at the players' feet. But the fact remains, Cedeno is stinking on both sides of the ball, not just offensively.