Soul

I'm not so sure about that. I would have gone Quinn though, but maybe Ted's got something else in mind. They certainly know Favre's not playing forever, and Rodgers is unlikely to be the answer.

Trying to figure out where Olsen would go before the Bears pick....

You aren't following. I'm saying they knew of his as a big-time draft prospect. Which you apparently didn't. How can you exaggerate and use the word literally in a sentence. Think about that for a minute. Quinn being No. 1 before the draft proves that pre-work out draft boards are meaningless. Because Russell wasn't on them at some arbitrary point during the season doesn't mean that scouts were sleeping on him and he just skyrocketed out of nowhere. Exactly. Soul, I can't believe you compared Navarre to JMR. I made the comparison because IMB based his big-time status on those physical attributes. So what? Make a better argument next time for why Russell's a big-time prospect.

There is a HUGE difference between Russell and Navarre, to even use him as any sort of comparison to Russell is ridiculous. You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper here. You're right that Russell wasn't a No. 1 guy before the Sugar Bowl. But he was leagues ahead of "literally nowhere". Well, you're the one who said Russell was "big time" because he's strong and has a huge arm, not me. But whatever.

Timmons could be fantastic, but I think he was a reach @ 15... Actually, I was kinda hoping he'd still be there for the Bears :)

There's no way Ted Thompson expected Brady Quinn to be here now. That's got to be throwing a bit of a wrench into the works. I think he thought Lynch would still be around, too.

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work. The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed. I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way. I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion. Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here. Define "Big Time Prospect" then. Are you serious? He was a big, strong quarterback with a huge arm that played at a big-time SEC school since his freshman year. He was no one's No. 1 pick at the beginning of the year, but guess who was? Brady Quinn. Draft boards in August mean nothing. John Navarre was a big, strong QB with a huge arm that played at a big school, too. That means nothing in terms of whether the guy is a "Big Time" prospect. Manning? Vick? These guys were big-time prospects for years & years before they were drafted. That's my idea of a big-time prospect. Russell wasn't close to that level, and honestly? He still isn't. Can we agree to stop arguing this? I'm not going to come over to your side, I think you're dead wrong and that's not going to change.

LOL, some of these fans are a bit hyper for April.

That's good value for the Panthers, IMO.

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work. The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed. I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way. I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion. Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here. Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work. The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed. I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way. I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

Well at least someone remembers the past 4-5 months the way I do.

You must not pay much attention to college football, Russell has been on people's radars since his freshman year. Not anywhere near where he went. Not even close to that level. Read what you wrote again, please. You said he was "literally nowhere" until his last couple games, which is completely untrue. I don't even know where you pulled that from, unless you just like playing expert. What you said was completely false. He was nowhere in terms of top 10. If you think he would have gone top 10 without the Sugar Bowl and his workout, you are sorely mistaken. What the hell? He was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl. There's a reason the Sugar Bowl was looked at as a battle to go number one overall before the game (not retroactively). JaMarcus Russell had become a top-10 pick during the regular season. What you're saying is that JaMarcus needed a good workout and a good game to get him where he was...we can say that about EVERY player drafted. Dude, there's just no way. Russell wasn't even CLOSE to a top-10, Big-time prospect before the bowl season. Not one chance in hell. He's a workout pick, there's just no way around that. At all.

Love the Joe Thomas fishing footage. :lol:

You must not pay much attention to college football, Russell has been on people's radars since his freshman year. Not anywhere near where he went. Not even close to that level. Read what you wrote again, please. You said he was "literally nowhere" until his last couple games, which is completely untrue. I don't even know where you pulled that from, unless you just like playing expert. What you said was completely false. He was nowhere in terms of top 10. If you think he would have gone top 10 without the Sugar Bowl and his workout, you are sorely mistaken. So what? No one goes anywhere without a workout. The point is Russell was a bigtime prospect as long ago as his freshman year, not some nobody that popped up the last couple weeks of the season. You keep changing your point, stick to one please. He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

I *think* GB will take Quinn. Especially now that Lynch is gone. IMO, Buffalo's wrong about Losman...

You must not pay much attention to college football, Russell has been on people's radars since his freshman year. Not anywhere near where he went. Not even close to that level. Read what you wrote again, please. You said he was "literally nowhere" until his last couple games, which is completely untrue. I don't even know where you pulled that from, unless you just like playing expert. What you said was completely false. He was nowhere in terms of top 10. If you think he would have gone top 10 without the Sugar Bowl and his workout, you are sorely mistaken.

It's amazingly horrible in the context that Quinn should have been the pick. I think it's more than that. Ginn's got great skills, true, but he's still in need of development as a wide receiver. He will be dynamite as a kick returner. But consider that the Bears got a game-changer in that role in the 2nd round. The Dolphins will have to pay top-10 money for it. It's horrible value. Not saying Ginn won't work out, though. He's a skilled athlete and could be great.

You must not pay much attention to college football, Russell has been on people's radars since his freshman year. Not anywhere near where he went. Not even close to that level.

He definitely ranks up there behind Leinart dropping to #10 last year. You guys do realize that Marques Colston was drafted last year, right? So what? We're talking about draft value. Colston never had the potential to make $40 million guaranteed like Quinn would have. Whoever picks Quinn now will literally be saving millions on top of millions of dollars.

Oh, and with deference to vance, Russell became the #1 pick on the basis of a workout. How'd that work out for Kyle Boller? I think Quinn's the best QB in this draft. I don't care what kind of arm strength Russell has or how he looked in his personal workout in shorts and a t-shirt. Big deal. Nobody even knew who that guy was until the bowl season his last year in college. He's been a shooting star, but that's only because he was literally nowhere until his last couple games. The Raiders couldn't deveop a QB to save their lives anyway. Quinn will most certainly be the more successful NFL QB.

Buffalo takes Lynch while the Packers take Quinn, trade for Turner and Moss. Boy would I be in a great mood if all of that happened. It's all falling the Packers' way. The only thing that didn't work out is their primary trade partner for Rodgers took Russell. I wouldn't be suprised if they just let Rodgers rot on the 3rd string until his contract is up, then just dump him. If I'm the Packers, I take Quinn before 5 seconds come off that clock.

Quinn: If I'm Buffalo, I take him. Losman's still real iffy. I can almost guarantee the Packers will take Quinn if he's there. They hate Rodgers and have been looking to unload him all offseason. I may not think Quinn's the greatest QB prospect ever, but right now he ranks as one of the great values in draft history. Oh, and Miami are idiots. Somehow, I know that fool Terry Shea was behind them passing on Quinn. The man has no clue about QB talent---he's the guy who convinced Angelo Jonathan Quinn should be the Bears backup QB. How'd that work out??? Idiotic pick.

Go play in the street or something. He's allowed to have an opinion, no matter how baseless it may be.. Baseless? I don't need court documents to know that Sammy's physical development required something more than a normal workout routine. I think you'll also see a transformation in his body from 2005 to 2007. Strange how a seemingly washed-up player goes away for a year and comes back bigger and hitting home runs again. Hmmm, I wonder... But don't ask Sammy about it, he can only speak English when he's praising himself. LOL, yeah right. Are you for real?

Of all the ESPN analysts, I have grown to trust Clayton the most. FWIW.