williams + novoa/wuertz probably isn't as good as backe + qualls...but if the cubs throw in both novoa and wuertz (or perhaps ohman, who i think is expendable) + prospects, they could match/beat houston's offer. if the phils are looking for something along the lines of clement + trot, i don't know if the cubs can put together a similar package. That's what I was thinking. We can't match Trot + Clement, but we could probably match Backe + Qualls. What I couldn't figure out was when Stark said that Trot + Clement may not be enough. Trot is a platoon guy in the OF right now. He can't hit lefties, at all, and he hasn't been a full time starter for a full season since 2002. The Cubs don't have an exact replica, but Walker would give him a run for his money in terms of production (unfortunately, they don't need a 2B, but they do need 3B) and he's significantly cheaper. Likewise, Clement is an extremely expensive average pitcher. Yes, we all know he has the stuff, but we have to stop pretending he's a top of the rotation starter. Again, I think Jerome Williams compares favorably to Matt. No, he doesn't have the same stuff, but, from what I can tell, his ERA+ is right there, his career ERA compares favorably. And it's not like you can give Clement the nod on durability either, as he's failed to throw 200 innings for 2 straight years, and he's maddeningly inconsistent. If you can tie in a 3rd team, I see no reason why you can't throw together Walker (going to the 3rd team - who would send similar value back to Philly), Williams, Mitre, Wuertz/Novoa and a prospect and be considered along a Nixon/Clement deal. Philly saves money with the Cubs offer, gets, at worst, a slight downgrade in pitcher quality, but a significant upgrade in quantity, and fills multiple holes. 3 team deal Cubs get: Abreu Soriano Philly gets: Williams Mitre (sinker in Philly is a must) Wuertz/Novoa Mench/Dellucci Texas gets: Walker Matt Craig Cubs pitching prospect Texas frees payroll, gets similar production from 2B, might need more from Cubs pitching depth. Philly frees payroll, fills rotation spots with cheap innings eaters, fills a bullpen spot and gets a decent OF bat. Cubs fill RF hole, replace Walker's production with similar bat, take on salary and free up some 40 man roster space. I think Texas needs to get a lot more in that deal your probably looking at Patterson goinng to them in that deal also.