JudasIscariotTheBird

You could be less obvious that you're a Brewer fan here trolling if you gave it some effort.

No joke, I did not know who Hottovoy was until reading this thread.

You trying to jinx this? The game isn't over yet.

Classic scouting horsefeathers: https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2010/04/09/buck-showalter-on-derek-lees-butt-i-look-at-it-i-say-wow/

True. No one thinks Robinson and Capela are better than Luka or Steph. They aren't. But they grade out higher on win shares because centers have a horsefeathers ton of utility. A more useful stat for an individual's value might be win-shares equalized for the position they play. But that's not what we're talking about. No idea what you mean about me posting WAR comparisons. I don't think that's something I do often, since I don't remember it. I just read what you said and thought "hmm, Jokic and Embiid were totally dominant this year, and most stat nerds seemed to agree" so I looked up how centers fared this year. I'm going to default tangible stats over internet take from internet guy (who claims to know the minds of insider NBA stat guys) and some dudes I've never heard of waiving their hands. I'll conceed that maybe win-shares isn't a great stat, as basketball is a much more difficult sport to quantify than baseball, but it's what I trust, given my options. I should have clarified what you do too much of I guess. I've noticed you don't believe or trust things you can't quantify in baseball (much of scouting) and want error bars and confidence intervals and the like... I mean, sure, it would be nice if we had all those things but we don't. Scouting is still very important, even if it is subjective and occasionally very off. You've never heard of John Hollinger? He invented the stat PER and worked at ESPN for many years, and then worked in the FO for the Memphis Grizzlies. He's an analyst who actually really cares about stats and trying to quantify the sport. Ah, I think the dude is pretty damn credible. You've never heard of the Second Spectrum tracking system and how it is transforming the game? I mean, I guess not everyone knows about it, but that's not my problem. You're the one who brought up win shares in this argument. A better stat or framework for evaluating a sport/hobby will always come along, so I usually like to keep it simple but I couldn't do that here obviously. I get the point you were trying to make, but experts and former players and many observers all echo what I'm saying about centers in the NBA. Jokic and Embiid are freaks, but they're also just 2 players with exceptional skill sets. Most centers can't do what they do, and most centers are terrible shooters away from the hoop. I don't especially follow the NBA. I don't know guys. The experts you're quoting are saying that centers are being drafted too high, and that's probably true. The difference in the outcome of a game between good and so-so centers is probably minimal, and the skill positions might have more differentiation, but that doesn't mean the position itself lacks utility. The fact that very tall unathletic bums keep playing in the NBA speaks to that. It's similar to the NFL figuring out that using lots of draft capital on RBs was silly. ...but it doesn't mean that RB isn't a vital position in the NFL. Disregarding Jokic and Embiid as freaks or outliers is ok...but then pointing to a few freakish outliers like Steph and Luka isn't really helping your argument. And I'd be thrilled to see how Second Spectrum and the like ranks out stuff. I went to their site. They provide no stats that I can see.

I feel like if I was publicly going after someone for sexual assault/rape (and they didn't actually do it), I'd probably not do it from an @ name that could be used against my credibility. Then if that original account got deleted, I probably wouldn't then create a new account that is also sexually explicit.

True. No one thinks Robinson and Capela are better than Luka or Steph. They aren't. But they grade out higher on win shares because centers have a horsefeathers ton of utility. A more useful stat for an individual's value might be win-shares equalized for the position they play. But that's not what we're talking about. No idea what you mean about me posting WAR comparisons. I don't think that's something I do often, since I don't remember it. I just read what you said and thought "hmm, Jokic and Embiid were totally dominant this year, and most stat nerds seemed to agree" so I looked up how centers fared this year. I'm going to default tangible stats over internet take from internet guy (who claims to know the minds of insider NBA stat guys) and some dudes I've never heard of waiving their hands. I'll conceed that maybe win-shares isn't a great stat, as basketball is a much more difficult sport to quantify than baseball, but it's what I trust, given my options.

In 2022, centers accounted for first, third, fourth, fifth, and seventh in win share. In win share per min played, centers literally make up 3/4ths of the top 20.

Dang man. It's either ankle or Achillies. You'd think he'd be in more pain if it was Achillies, but that didn't look good.

Wow. They went hard!

They've also scored 4+ runs in 10/17 games, and have yet to be shut out. Consistency we would have absolutely killed for essentially any year post 2016. Why should we care about consistency?

This is probably mostly all the groundballs. It's not perfect but that top right quadrant largely tracks with top teams in groundball rate https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=2&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31&sort=5,d It makes sense too, the deader ball means fly balls are flying less far than the models are used to, but grounders and low liners should be same as ever. That why the graph skews waaayyyy to the left. I was going to ask if there was an obvious reason why the model thought a vast majority of teams were underpreforming. I didn't know the ball was dead as my fandom.

Lol, Tigers

Hosmer + Campusano + Myers + Cash for Mills + Heyward + Ortega + Bote. This is would a fun take on those &-themed t-shirts.