Easy Ron Guenther, don't diss Warren. Warren was a lot better basketball player than Chester Frazier, tell me you don't think Chester Frazier was in his league? If you do you might want to notice how Warren is having a nice career overseas making millions, meanwhile Chester isn't. And what's funnier, me wanting Bill Self back, or you pretending like he isn't a great coach? You didn't say Carter and McBride were the best players on the team, you said they were the leaders. Frazier was pretty unquestionably the leader from his sophomore-senior season, and it's pretty sad that you're throwing him under the bus to fit your agenda. Of course if you were talking strictly what they did on the court, Pruitt was probably better than McBride and Carter but he was recruited by Weber so you'll ignore that as well. WHEN HAVE I EVER PRETENDED SELF COULDN'T COACH??? Of course I do remember you intimating Self couldn't coach on several occassions. I and everyone else is just [expletive] sick of this argument where Illinois has a loss and you come in pining for your ex, and you yell at us for being kool aid drinkers, and we say the past 4 years have sucked, and you cite the same stats, and we say yeah, we know, and you talk about Jerrance, and we say ok, and you mention Eric Gordon, and we're like huh, and you talk about the marker on his face, and we tune you out, and you mention the 2003 National Title game, AND SUHGOUSHOUGPHSDOUGSHHOFU JUST SHUT THE [expletive] UP