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And Pitt slaughtered BC at BC. BC must absolutely blow. ECU looks good. Bodes nicely for the gamecocks as the line is sizzling up. Some places have 7.5

I love the gamecocks getting 6 at home. That relies way too heavily on a stinker week 1 from the gamecocks and Georgia dismantling a pretty average Clemson squad. USC would be a 3-6 pt favorite if this was the first game of the year. USC defense matches up decent against gurley I'm taking that 6. Also central michigan getting 4 at home vs a turf team traveling from Syracuse. Very suspect and a bad line in my opinion. One more UVA at home getting 6 vs Petrino. UVA basically outplayed UCLA in week one. Louisville coming into Charlottesville getting almost a TD? That's a sucker line that's gonna get 75pct of the action but I like the points.

Can you imagine what a guy like roger Clemens would have done to his kids if they misbehaved? That'd be terrifying.

It would be fun if somebody dug into the lives of all the nfl beat writers and exposed all the arrests duis drug related stuff that came out. There are probably some factors that make an nfl player more likely to do heinous acts off the field but if you took any 1500 grouping of young adult males there's probably a bunch of bad [expletive] in there.

I don't know how deep under the hood we really want to look at any of these guys. We know Brandon Marshall's abysmal record, and that guy has a tv show.

Not sure why I missed this, but I did. Anyway, I find it disturbing that you remember that whole thing. I definitely remember Rex getting off to a decent start in the first game or two and tearing up his knee in Minnesota. Think he played vs GB and Detroit and we lost to Detroit at home and beat GB at Lambeau. I remember Rex scrambling around and making a couple plays outside the pocket. Mike Brown's fumble return. That is basically all I remember of that season as I almost entirely blacked out the Quinn/Krenzel/Hutchinson games. I think Hutchinson may have had one monster good game at some point out of nowhere. Rex was 26 in the Super Bowl season and had like 25 starts under his belt when the bears totally gave up on him in favor of turds like griese. I like Lovie still but letting the fans and media determine his QB situation was terrible.

I watched the SF Dallas game and sf does not have a great defense. Dallas moved the ball pretty easily and would have put up a ton of points had Dallas not blown it in the red zone. I expect the bears to be able to move the ball and for gore and kaepernick to absolutely destroy the bears defense.

No Rex started and looked ok abut got hurt running in a TD at te end of a game in minny in week 3. They abandoned Quinn after a couple weeks and Craig krenzel was in for a stretch of decent football until he got hurt or lost the job I think he got hurt and brought on the chad Hutchinson era. Lovies bears defense from 2004-2010 and a healthy rex leading a trestman offense would have been badass and result in potentially a SB.

Almost happened but we got Terry Shea or whoever Lovies first OC was. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk But even trestman couldn't quarterback whisper Jonathan Quinn.

But also blood relatives. For example hope solo got arrested and charged with assault and domestic violence for beating up her nephew. This was either california or Washington state. Domestic violence is a very broad tent. This is the problem with a businessman/pr monkey like goodell attempting to adjudicate all matters of morality and criminality with such an aire of righteousness. This is why when they agreed to the CBA and the players gave goodell sole authority to hand out conduct penalties as he saw fit, and people said "this is stupid" and they were right. Pure hubris on goodell and the Nfls part and not a ton of foresight. Had they just agreed apon a third party to hand out the fines and penalties than they would have all been better off.

I like how they use the term domestic voilence as a nebulous euphemism for violence against women, when that's what they clearly mean and there is no harm in saying it either. Whats gonna happen when some Chicago Bear player beats the crap out of his brother. Like if Brian Urlacher beat up Casey Urlacher he would need to get 6 games the first time and a lifetime ban the second time. I am not sure but I was under the impression also that in most states domestic violence/assualt/battery only extends to a married spouse, fiancee, or partner that you live with. Im pretty sure as long as you maintain separate residences and arent married or engaged to your girlfriend you can beat her and not get six games because thats technically just aggravated battery. One more thing, I think, and im not sure, that emotional abuse or physical threats count as domestic violence in Illinois.

This team would be awesome with Lovie as HC and trestman as OC. Even with Tucker as DC.

So the nfl is not accountable to anybody. Not difficult to understand. I'm talkin about the possibility of punishing the league owners and not just their lackey. Unless they have some agreement that they uphold some kind of standard then you can't really hold the leave accountable legally or financially. Apart from them looking bad there is no available recourse.

I have no idea what this means. That the nfl didn't actually NEED to suspend ray rice at all. They do so for PR purposes and are not compelled to by any agreements or laws. They needed to I guess from a pr standpoint but I'm not aware that their antitrust exemption or tv deals require suspensions for immoral or illegal acts.

The point of narrowing the scope to a hittable target is good and correct. And I have no answer to the question of what to do to the owners except maybe embarrass them for not being the ones outraged at the 2 game suspension. Goodell should be fired I agree and the nfl (as far as I know) has no actual mandate to punish players other than maybe a general desire that they remain consistent when punishing players. I am just saying the owners as a group sucks as bad as goodell.

And do what after you look at the owners? They're paying him 30+ mil a year to handle issues like this. They shouldn't have to instruct him to suspend him further that's his job, they're not babysitters for Goodell. They pay him all that money to keep their hands clean from this. Um ok. So if I ever own a massive hugely profitable business exempt from us antitrust law that also benefits greatly from state and local land and tax deals and questionable accounting principals; as long as I pay an unlikeable guy a lot of money I'm exempt from criticism.

I think that somebody powerful in the media needs to turn the lens to the owners and not just Baltimore's owners. Goodell is not as powerful as jerry jones or Paul Allen or Dan Rooney or Robert Kraft. Goodell only exists by the good graces of the owners and they could have instructed goodell to drop the hammer on rice or hardy or anybody else. They obviously didn't. They are the people most invested in denying the science of head injuries not goodell. He's is just their creature and when he's used up they will get another just like him.

It's not about whether or not Goodel saw it. It's whether or not any NFL employee saw it plus the fact that they absolutely had the opportunity to see it and already liked about their inability to see it. There are no goalposts here. Let's just assume for a second that they are able to prove without any doubt that they didn't see it and that they made a genuine attempt to see it. We both agree that's very unlikely, but suspend your disbelief. In that scenario, Goodell is absolved of nearly all the criticism currently waged against him. That's what I mean by the goal posts moving.

Actually. Based on the original video (the one where rice coldly dragged an obviously unconscious woman out of an elevator, combined with the fact there was never a denial or attempt at mitigating what happened by Rice; the video of the inside of the elevator is actually not nearly as bad as it could have been. She slaps at him, he hits her, she lunges toward him and he knocks her out. This is obviously very very bad. But based on what we knew prior to the video, id say this video is almost better than what you'd expect to see. It could have been far more gruesome. So the nfl hiding behind only seeing the video now, and I think we are all naive to think that goodell's office won't e able to claim plausible deniability on viewing the tape, is extra [expletive]. They knew unequivocally he knocked her out in the elevator. I still don't understand why not seeing the tape absolves goodell from anything. Goodell had long set himself up as the judge jury and executioner of the off-field conduct of nfl players. It's probably his most most public role. Tape or no tape he failed at his most public role, a role which he defined for himself. The NBA has billy hunter for this and not david stern. If the nfl had such a guy, then he could shield goodell but they don't. So I think tape or no tape the owners should fire goodell. Goodell is probably too smart to publicly deny seeing the tape if there was any way to prove that he saw the tape. So it's kinda [expletive] that the goalposts are now "did he see the tape", and once he proves he didn't he "wins".

Maybe I'm wrong then. I just haven't seen much If anything about the legal side of this but I guess if it's on mike and mike it is being discussed.

Ussoccer please engage me I need you to keep engaging me.

Are you [expletive] serious? Do you believe that? You think the police/local prosecution's deciisons to drop all charges and not prosecute Ray Rice is being explored pari passu with the criticism of the NFL? You dont actually believe that. You have decided to refute that and say its not being overlooked for whatever stupid reason you might have. The words "police investigation" may have been mentioned in an article that's absolute subject is whether or not the NFL saw the tape or whether or not Goodell should step down.

It's not an either/or condemnation; the NFL has laid out much more harsh penalties for lesser offenses or for things that aren't even technically illegal. Regardless of what local authorities did or did not do, basic morality dictated that the NFL should have kicked Rice out ASAP. I agree, my post condemns both. Its absurd that Josh Gordon did something 8x worse than what Rice did according to the NFL. Its equally absurd that Ray Rice did nothing wrong according the state of new jersey or whatever has jurisdiction in atlantic city.

The most ridiculous part is that you wrote this. Also, lots of people have written about how absurd it is that he got away with it, but that this is what happens when battered women ultimately take one for the team. There are probably a thousands of criticisms of Goodell for every one criticism of the law. Personally, Im not sure ive seen even one. But obviously somewhere a few people made that arguments but its drowned in the noise about the appropriate number of games that Goodell should have given Rice. Its clearly an overlooked aspect of the Ray Rice story.

The most ridiculous part is, and while I agree that the NFL has handled this terribly and everybody in the NFL league office and the ownership is all a bunch of horrible pricks, the NFL is not in place to punish criminals. Its not the NFLs job to determine if domestic abuse is worse than recreational drug use. Goodell, im certain, has never been trained to do this. There is a system in place thats the ultimate arbiter and its the law. The police and the district attorneys office without a shred of doubt saw the tape. Ray Rice was not punished, at all, by the organization thats sole purpose is to punish criminals for criminal acts. Even the NFLs two game suspension was the only punishment Ray Rice received. Court ordered counseling is not a punishment, its a conduit for self improvement. Ray Rice got no punishment. The pitchforks are all out on Goodell and the NFL, but I honestly havent seen a single thing about the fact Ray Rice received absolutely zero punishment from the law. And everybody is stupid. I hate Goodell too but hes just a representative of the league. He clearly does the bidding of the owners. Also i am sure that this will cause the end of the Redskins name.