Again, my criticism isn't with our arms, but our lack of young, good position players. The thing that bothers me is that our philosophy gets too hung up on tools. Going after guys with tools isn't bad if you can develop their tools, which I think we've done a bad job of. I forgot, who did we trade Hinske for? Wasn't Hinske traded for Chiasson? There might have been more to the deal but that what I remember.