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If the Cubs gave up marmol, i wouldn't give up much after that. I definitely would not include Marmol and a top prospect for Granderson. Marmol is cheap and has a lot of upside and no doubt has some of the best stuff in the majors hands down. If they did trade marmol, i wouldn't mind them trading marmol and then flipping bradley for Wood. But yeah, no way would I include Vitters or Castro in any trade.

With all the Castro Love, dont tell phil rogers how good he is, he just posted an article saying we should trade him for Granderson. Cubs must go after Granderson November 11, 2009 2:16 PM | 1 Comment By Phil Rogers The New York Post's Joel Sherman is reporting that the Tigers are shopping Curtis Granderson. That would be crazy, given Granderson's impact on and off the field, but could be true with Detroit forced to consider ways to cut a payroll that no longer fits the franchise's financial picture, in part bloated by the presence of Miguel Cabrera and Magglio Ordonez. Granderson, 28, is a product of Thornton Fractional South and the University of Illinois-Chicago. He's also a terrific center fielder and the type of hitter who can help in the leadoff spot or the middle of the order. He's got only $25.75 million on his contract for three years, not including a $13-million option for 2013. In short, he's the perfect player for a Chicago team. There's no way that the Tigers would be willing to trade him to a division rival, so the White Sox are out of the question. The Cubs should do absolutely everything to get him, if he is available. There's no debate about this. Starlin Castro has an unbelievable future as the Cubs' shortstop. Carlos Marmol is a very valuable pitcher as a guy with less than two years' service time and the mindset and repertoire of an elite closer. Granderson is such a perfect guy for the Cubs that they should be willing to deal those guys to get him. That's the viewpoint here, anyway. It will be interesting to see what the Tigers say about the NY Post report. Are they hurting so bad they would trade one of the best guys in the game?

Cubs must go after Granderson November 11, 2009 2:16 PM | 1 Comment By Phil Rogers The New York Post's Joel Sherman is reporting that the Tigers are shopping Curtis Granderson. That would be crazy, given Granderson's impact on and off the field, but could be true with Detroit forced to consider ways to cut a payroll that no longer fits the franchise's financial picture, in part bloated by the presence of Miguel Cabrera and Magglio Ordonez. Granderson, 28, is a product of Thornton Fractional South and the University of Illinois-Chicago. He's also a terrific center fielder and the type of hitter who can help in the leadoff spot or the middle of the order. He's got only $25.75 million on his contract for three years, not including a $13-million option for 2013. In short, he's the perfect player for a Chicago team. There's no way that the Tigers would be willing to trade him to a division rival, so the White Sox are out of the question. The Cubs should do absolutely everything to get him, if he is available. There's no debate about this. Starlin Castro has an unbelievable future as the Cubs' shortstop. Carlos Marmol is a very valuable pitcher as a guy with less than two years' service time and the mindset and repertoire of an elite closer. Granderson is such a perfect guy for the Cubs that they should be willing to deal those guys to get him. That's the viewpoint here, anyway. It will be interesting to see what the Tigers say about the NY Post report. Are they hurting so bad they would trade one of the best guys in the game? Wow someone needs to tell phil rogers to STFU. Are you serious, givine up both Marmol and Castro for Granderson? Hendry better not do something to that affect.

I actually would be happy if Hendry traded Bradley for Granderson in some type of deal. Adding granderson would eliminate two holes that we have coming into the offseason, a leadoff hitter and a Centerfielder.

Curtis Grandersno would be a nice pickup but i dont know if i would offer top prospects for him. I wonder what kind of package they would ask for, the prospects i would include in the deal would be castro, vitters and cashner. Other than that, i would say do it.

Castro had his worst day yesterday, hopefully he picks it back up next day. 0-5 in yesterdays game.

Naw i dont think they'll trade Fielder for pitching, i highly doubt it. I think they'll go out and sign a pitcher. They're not dumb enough to trade Fielder now if they're not going to resign cameron since they got gomez.

Still dont understand Why Hendry is so dumb to offer this guy a contract when he can just offer him arbitration, i doubt anyone would want to sign Grabow if it meant losing Draft Picks. If Hendry signs him to a contract, it just proves how dumb he is. Its kind dumb that he takes this approach on grabow but yet he wont offer Harden Arbitration more than likely.

I mean Gomez is still young but he's a below average hitter. I think they could've got more for Hardy in all honesty, maybe a Liriano+Gomez for Hardy and a low prospect. Seems the brewers did the Twins a favor on this trade. Also looks like Cabrera is now available, i wouldn't mind the cubs picking him up for one year while Castro waits. He is a below average hitter, but again his defense alone makes him worth playing IMO. Nothing wrong with wanting to have a good defensive team in the 2 most important spots (SS and CF) True but then you have three pitchers batting in your order instead of one. I still think Escobar will be a crappy hitter.

Ok ok, maybe more like, he's a steve Trachsel type of hitter.

I mean Gomez is still young but he's a below average hitter. I think they could've got more for Hardy in all honesty, maybe a Liriano+Gomez for Hardy and a low prospect. Seems the brewers did the Twins a favor on this trade. Also looks like Cabrera is now available, i wouldn't mind the cubs picking him up for one year while Castro waits.

So Castro = ARod. I'm fine with that. If Castro continues to hit for contact like he has, and if he grows to 6'3 195lbs like some people think. And if his power potential becomes Soriano like, like what people say, then maybe a Arod type of player is not far off. I wouldn't say Arod necessarily but maybe closer to hanley.

since when do corner outfielders who play bad defense and can't manage 30 xbh's in ~500 pa's count as productive? Hermida is 25 with still some potential left to be fulfilled, with a new hitting coach thats supposedly the best in the game, i would take a shot at him

if you hate someone because of the color of their skin, i'm pretty sure that's racism. No its not, I think it depends on why they hate the person. If I hate my neighbor and he's white, does that mean i'm racist? It can get confusing but its hard to explain, i think you have to talk from their perspective to understand. In all honesty I still feel White people are the most racist but other races aren't too far behind. no, it could mean that he's a d-bag. but you were suggesting that black people are hateful toward white people in general, not just because their white neighbor is an a-hole who passes out on their lawn and borrows things without giving them back. I dont know why but for some reason i get the feeling you have a personal experience in your head right now.

if you hate someone because of the color of their skin, i'm pretty sure that's racism. No its not, I think it depends on why they hate the person. If I hate my neighbor and he's white, does that mean i'm racist? It can get confusing but its hard to explain, i think you have to talk from their perspective to understand. In all honesty I still feel White people are the most racist but other races aren't too far behind.

Seriously, does anybody on this board run the Hot Stove Cubbies Blog? I mean MLBtraderumors has Iwamura quoted and also the Pirates GM posted as saying that both sides are interested in a long term deal. And then the Blogger on that cubbies website posted as if his sources are saying that Iwamura was traded to pirates and might be traded to the cubbies. I mean seriously, I know its a blog but dont post false statements or rumors that are based off your own ideas. I know this is me ranting but I just can't stand false rumors.

ehh I dont know about that, just my opinion. I think Black people are more hateful towards white people than racist. Hateful because of what has happened in the past, Black people from what i've seen, dont usually use the word cracker, honkey or any other racist nickname towards white people. From my own experience, I actually feel black people are the less racist out of white, latino, asians, etc.

If he stays with the Yankees, he'll get less than 3 yrs but if he signs with someone desperate, i could see him signing a 3yr deal. I think 3yrs is the max he'll get, just depends on how those three years are structured.

Why because he's gone now and because you have Teahen now? If Teahen is replacing Dye, then the sox are counting on him to be one of their power bats which is not something smart. Especially when you have an overpaid Rios in Center.

I hope so, i think if we trade Bradley, the cubs should go after Hermida, he's young and productive. Cubs need to add some youth to their lineup. I can imagine Ricketts increasing payroll more than expected if Hendry comes to him and tells him that a lot of good players will become available cheap because of arbitration. So we'll see.

Wow this is a bad trade for the Sox in my opinion. I'm actually pretty happy they picked Teahen up because i'm sick of hearing how Hendry wants Teahen. I think Teahen is way overrated, feel sorry for sox fans because i feel getz should've stayed with the sox and the sox should've gone out and signed someone to play right field instead of trading away a decent young player for a utility man.

Yeah i would offer Damon more than a one year deal with second year club option. People are biting too much into his stats. I think he benefited a lot from playing in Home Run Yankee Stadium. I think his numbers will be nearly as good as this year elsewhere unless he went to the rockies. I'm very skeptical of older players posting up huge numbers, especially with all the HGH and Steriods circling around.

no Yeah I wouldn't assume that just yet, maybe we have a castro instead of a jeter or han ram. I'm excited about Castro too but you have to get a bigger sample size before biting into the hype. The most exciting part i got from the whole post is how big the cubs expect Castro to grow into. If he become 6'3 195-200lbs, I'd imagine he'd lean more towards a Han Ram than Jeter.

Wow, even a Cubby blue koolaid sipper like myself is caught off guard by this. I was thinking Castro might be in the 35 to 40 range, but might he be even higher than that? Don't let a Brewer's fan read this. According to them Escobar is the next big thing. I hope Castro lives up to the hype though, would be nice if it panned out and both him and vitters were studs, along with Cashner.

ha ha i can see that. I love how Southsideryan took the first opportunity to label cubs fans racist and then add his little ..... oh yeah and the white sox fans can be racist. Give me a break. And how do you know those said players and managers didnt drop the race card? I'll look for the article but Jacque Jones dropped the race card in Minny. Please dont compare Jackie Robinson's situation to Derek Lee's cause you have no idea what you're talking about.