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I agree on that part but i think it would also depend on which team is trying to pick him up. For example, if the Yanks didnt have Texeira on their current roster, i think they would value Lee more than Granderson. I agree with 1Bs are easy to come by but Granderson isn't exactly a gold glove CF, and as for baserunning, although he has excellent speed, he's not a difference maker like Crawford for example so i wouldn't say his baserunning puts him way over the top. If his splits weren't that bad, obviously i'd take him over Lee but because of his splits i'd take my chances with Lee because with Granderson, if he came on with two outs and the winning run on second, the opposing manager can just bring in a Lefty and call it a day.

I think this has Zero Chance of happening, have no idea what in the world the white sox can offer to entice the Padres. White Sox pretty much have Zero in their farm system other than the Hudson kid. I'm kind of confused by this report because I think this makes zero sense. On second thought, i guess it depends heavily on what the white sox are willin to give up. Although their prospects aren't that highly regarded, i can see the padres thinking about the white package if they included Viciedo, Hudson, Danks, Flowers, and maybe one or two more prospects. Though i highly doubt the RedSox let the White Sox win over Gonzalez without a fight so i think the RedSox will bid highly on him too. If the White Sox pick up Adrian, they would pretty much deplete their farm system.

I think this has Zero Chance of happening, have no idea what in the world the white sox can offer to entice the Padres. White Sox pretty much have Zero in their farm system other than the Hudson kid. I'm kind of confused by this report because I think this makes zero sense.

Please Explain.... Other than Age, what does Granderson have over Lee? Lee is a better run producer and has a better glove at his position and is a better hitter. Granderson has good speed but he's not a base stealer and he's not exactly an impressive lead off hitter with those numbers. Lee also isn't a platoon player at his position.

Wow, i've been checking some Detroit baseball forums and wow talk about overvaluing Granderson. Saw someone say it would take Vitters, Castro, Cashner, Marmol and Jackson to get Granderson. I mean wow, really? I think some fans overvalue their player a little too much. If the Cubs decided to trade Derek Lee to the Giants, i wouldn't ask the Giants for Posey. And you can argue that DLee has more value than Granderson. On the subject of Granderson, i think it would be a nice pickup if they landed him but if i woke up tomorrow and heard the Yankees got him, i'd be like, ehh ok. With Peavy i was a little dissapointed the cubs didnt get him but with Granderson, it doesn't really matter, they either do or dont. Granderson isn't exactly a superstar.

Not sure if anyone caught Talking Baseball with Levine this weekend but Chicagocubsonline.com has a little summary of what was said and I feel a bit relieved by what Levine said: Bruce Levine shot down the 'reports' from Phil Rogers on what it would take for the Cubs to land Curtis Granderson ... especially the one that mentioned Carlos Marmol. Levine was pretty adamant on the fact the Cubs would not include Starlin Castro in any deal ... much less one for Curtis Granderson. The Cubs view Castro as their future shortstop and feel the 19-year old could be in the big leagues a couple of months after the 2010 season begins. Levine explained later in the show that he can guarantee that a Cubs' source did not tell Phil Rogers they would give up Starlin Castro and Andrew Cashner in a deal for Granderson. I usually believe levine, he's sometime off in his rumors but he usually states whether its from a source or his feeling. I'm guessing the whole Castro thing is from his sources and the feeling around the organization. I personally can't stand Rogers because he never backs anything up.

Phil Rogers posted an article that a source close to the cubs says that Hendry is abosolutely interested and might trade some prospects in the trade. I hope Phil was guessing but he mentioned the cubs building a package around Castro and Vitters. If Hendry trades away either one in a trade for Granderson i would seriously be dissapointed and disgusted with the cubs organization.

This guy doesnt think a trade will happen. Phil Rogers says the Cubs will "become aggressive" in acquiring Granderson if/when the Tigers decide to field offers for him. Phil has no sources and is just assuming that. He's the same guy who said we should trade Castro and Marmol for him, despite the fact that Granderson is a platoon Center Fielder. There's no doubt the cubs would look into Granderson but i dont feel they'll be aggressive. I think Detroit will ask for either Vitters or Castro or both and Hendry will hang up and say thanks but no thanks.

With all the talk of Granderson for Castro or Bucholz in a Halladay trade. I wanted to get a feel for you guys on if you guys felt like i do that ESPN, Foxsports and all the Major Media Outlets do favors to the Mets, Red Sox and Yankees in overhyping their prospects. What i mean by this, is we hear about Lars Anderson, Clay Bucholz, phill Hughes, Austin Jackson, etc, about how they're top prospects and how every other clubs prospects doesn't compare to them but i feel like most of these overhyped prospects are garbage but because the media overhypes them, GMs bite into the hype and so do fans. Perfect example was the Santana trade and how the trade centered around Carlos Gomez and how he was the next big thing and how Fernando Martinez wasn't included in the trade because he's a superstar also but neither player actually posted up decent numbers and as of right now, neither one is exactly a missing piece to a championship team.

Still feel its fullish if they include Castro and even Callis seems to think the same. I wouldn't mind sending Juk Lee, Jackson, Marshall and Fuld for Granderson. I still feell though that the tigers would name Marmol or Guzman in the deal because they need bullpen help.

Callis: Cubs have enough to get Granderson November 13, 2009 11:45 AM | No Comments | UPDATED STORY By Phil Rogers Assuming the Tigers will trade center fielder Curtis Granderson for the most attractive package of minor-league prospects they're offered, the Cubs could land him. That's the opinion of Baseball America's Jim Callis, a storehouse of knowledge on talent throughout the minors. I asked Jim to rank the Angels, Cubs and Yankees in terms of their ability to swing a prospects-rich deal, and here's his reply: "I'd rank them Cubs 1, Yankees 2, Angels 3. "A huge factor in this is how far the clubs would be willing to get him, but the Cubs would be in a better position to put together a Granderson deal than the Yankees and Angels. If the Cubs wanted to include Starlin Castro, which might be a little crazy but they do have a lot of middle-infield talent on the way up, they could easily get a deal done. Even without Castro, they could put together a bat like Josh Vitters with an arm like Andrew Cashner, Jay Jackson or Chris Carpenter. If the Tigers were willing to take a talent further away from the majors, they could ask for Hak-Ju Lee, if the Cubs didn't want to part with Castro. "The Cubs have enough interesting young players to put together a package and still have talent remaining. The Yankees' best prospect is slugger Jesus Montero, but I'm not sure they'd part with him. Even if they would, I don't think he's going to be a catcher, so you're betting 100 percent on his bat. The Cubs could offer someone with much more positional value as a centerpiece and better secondary players in the deal. "The Angels don't have the same depth as the Cubs. I assume they'd try to build a deal around Brandon Wood, but I don't think they could match the Cubs if the Cubs decide they have to have Granderson. And the Angels already have Torii Hunter, so I don't think they'd want him as badly."

And they would promptly hang up on you. If offer up: 1 of Theriot, Marmol 1 of Marshall, Gorz, Shark 2 of Fox, Colvin, Hoffpauir, Fuld, Fontenot or Theriot, Marmol,+ 1 of the other above. Theriot, Marmol, and Fuld works for me. I would guess you would have to add one more player. Maybe add fox to that package and i think its a good package.

If we were trying to get Pujols or Hanley, wed be looking at packages like Marmol Castro, Viters, Cashner, and Jackson. Were talking about a shortstop with a decent contact bat and below average glove, a reliever with control issues, and a few mid level propspects or spare parts here. If we were to propose Theriot, Marmol, and Colvin for Hanley Ramirez, the Marlins would hang up without a 2nd thought. A Package including Theriot, marmol, colvin is a decent package for Granderson, though you might have to include one more mid level prospect like caridad. Comparing to what the angels will offerr that might center around wood, i would argue that Detroit might value Marmol way more than Wood because if there was one thing that hurt the tigers last year, it was the bullpen. I agree, add something like Caridad or Stevens to that mix, perhaps Fox if they prefer a bat, but there are some who seem to feel that we should be throwing them a pile of garbage for Granderson because he cant hit lefties. I'm not opposed to offering a decent package, i just wouldn't offer Cashner, Castro Or vitters in any trade for him. I dont like theriot, so i wouldn't mind seeing him go, especially since castro looks like he'll take his spot next year.

If we were trying to get Pujols or Hanley, wed be looking at packages like Marmol Castro, Viters, Cashner, and Jackson. Were talking about a shortstop with a decent contact bat and below average glove, a reliever with control issues, and a few mid level propspects or spare parts here. If we were to propose Theriot, Marmol, and Colvin for Hanley Ramirez, the Marlins would hang up without a 2nd thought. A Package including Theriot, marmol, colvin is a decent package for Granderson, though you might have to include one more mid level prospect like caridad. Comparing to what the angels will offerr that might center around wood, i would argue that Detroit might value Marmol way more than Wood because if there was one thing that hurt the tigers last year, it was the bullpen.

This sure sounds contradictory. How? a guy can fill a huge hole without necessarily being an all star or without necessarily demanding top prospects.

I feell Hendry did the right thing with Peavy. Holding out Vitter and supposedly marshall. Peavy is a very good pitcher but the cubs need youth on their team. I hope the cubs keep their young prospects and actually develop them into something.

What? No. I can't think of a package of talent that great being given up since the Teixiera trade(which was definitely bigger) The Indians didn't get that much for Cliff Lee and you want to give that up for a platoon CF? My ideal package would be something like Marshall, Fox, Caridad and maybe another major league arm or maybe another mid level prospect.

i like how you have laid this out but i really think people are overlooking vitters in this case. i know castro is Mr. Hype right now, but I still contend that Vitters is the #1 prospect in the system, with castro coming in at #2 it seems. Granderson is in NO way worth a top 1 or 2 prospect IMO. If our system hasn't quite reached the point where you can't acquire a player like Granderson without giving up your top boys, you simply pass on the deal. Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects. I totally agree with you. Some of these packages look like we're going after Hanley Ramirez or Roy Halliday not Curtis Granderson. Granderson is a perfect fit for the Cubs, but he's not worth trading our top prospects plus creating a new hole on the field. As BCVM22 pointed out, he's atrocious against LHP. His suggestion of platooning him with someone like Reed Johnson is a great idea, but not after giving up half your farm system for him. Cub fans have waited a long time for positional prospects like Vitters and Castro, so they should be considered almost "untouchable". Corey Patterson was untouchable too. Not that I advocate trading either one for a guy like Granderson, but considering how many teams are looking to shed payroll and acquire "top prospects" Hendry should keep all options on the table. Agree but you dont trade your top prospects for a player slightly above average. If you're going to trade Castro or Vitters in a deal, it better be for someone who's worth it. Hendry shouldn't trade his prospects just for the sake of trading them because teams are willing to shed payroll.

PJ (Chicago) Hey KLAW! Can you give me a starting point for a Cubs deal for Granderson? Is Phil Rogers' article this morning suggesting Marmol and Castro too much? Klaw (1:15 PM) Yeah, WAY too much for a player who probably needs to be platooned.

i like how you have laid this out but i really think people are overlooking vitters in this case. i know castro is Mr. Hype right now, but I still contend that Vitters is the #1 prospect in the system, with castro coming in at #2 it seems. Granderson is in NO way worth a top 1 or 2 prospect IMO. If our system hasn't quite reached the point where you can't acquire a player like Granderson without giving up your top boys, you simply pass on the deal. Granderson is not worth a top prospect. I do like how you laid it out but some of those scenarios are too much for a guy who isn't exactly an all star. People are overhyping granderson too much, i mean i think the guy would be a huge pickup, but a pickup not worth more than mid level prospects.

I definitely would have granderson rather than Bradley because of attitude and defense, but i also dont think Granderson is worth giving up value for.

If they pull a trade that involves Theriot, the cubs would have to plan either signing a one year deal for someone like Cabrera to play short or bring up castro already. I wouldn't mind bringing up castro because he would then be tutored by Jaramillo in hitting but its also a risk.

A Decade younger and predicted to be in the majors later this year. Not many players come into the Majors at 19/20 yrs old. I know that Castro still has to prove himself but if all indication are correct, he should be quite a player.

Nice post i agree. Wouldn't mind including any of those players.

I'd deal Castro in a deal if it brought back Miguel Cabrera in somehow. Hendry works in extremes though, if the cubs did acquire Granderson, i wouldn't be surprise if A) he overpaid for him with prospects and included Castro or B) Used lower end prospects or at least prospects not as highly regarded. With the way Ricketts talked about building the roster from within and building the farm system, I doubt he lets hendry trade one of the cubs top prospect for a player like Granderson.