http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89733 Are we this delusional when it comes to trades? Some of those trades like "Pie and a prospect or two for Harang and Votto" are so obscenely ridiculous it almost seems like they're intentionally being absurd. I'm also a big fan of Guthrie, Luke Scott and a prospect for Harang, Rolen and Votto. If I'm the Reds, I'm not moving Votto for anything short of two of Matsuz, Tillman, Erbe and someone like Nolan Reimold.