if one were to put some thought into it, one could extrapolate that since team UZR does, in fact, have a positive relationship with lowering ERA, that individual UZR could, in fact, have a similar relationship. like i said, i understand that there is a lot of truth in uzr. i never said there wasn't. i'm saying it's unreliable and shouldn't be used to judge performance by a player and then act like it is definitive at all. according to uzr, derek jeter has become one of the best defensive shortstops in the league the last 2 seasons after being horrible for 3 straight years prior to that. so are the numbers inaccurate, or has jeter suddenly become a great shortstop? i think the former seems more likely. who knows? is there a reason Geovany Soto all of a sudden became a terrible hitter? he is seeing the same pitches as last year. or is defense something that doesnt change for a player year to year? in any case the fact that you jump on UZR any time it is mentioned on this board undermines any pleas you attempt to ralionalize your position.