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Are you honestly saying Jeter is not a good baseball player? I'm no Yankee lover, but Jeter is a hell of a player. He catches a lot of crap just because he plays for the Yankees in my opinion.

Giles wad of chew in his mouth looks like a nice solid turd...

Murton, just stay on the freaking bag already.

Yeah, but Guzman would have done a lot better, 6 negative shutout innings or something. :)

My gosh, Barrett has a sub-.290 OBP. Someone should make me stop looking at the stats. This could possibly be Barrett's last year with the Cubs the longer this goes on.

No Does SD do it for every starter?

I'm sure this has been covered, but did Wells write the number "33" behind the mound himself?

in fact, they're both worse Dude, he's an MVP just waiting to burst out. He doesn't need to concern himself with little things like defense and baserunning. That stuff is for wussies!

That inning about sums up the Cubs season.

There are reasons why he doesn't play everyday.

Going 3-10 in a September callup is far from a huge success. The other teams and GM's who passed on Brown were correct. Beane was the one who was wrong. No offense to Beane, it happens to everybody. nobody is going to bat 1.000 when it comes to drafting amateur talent. So Brown didn't work out. Beane got Nick Swisher, who had a 126 OPS+ last year and has an excellent 293/416/486 line this year. He also got Joe Blanton, who was not very good last year, but pitched very well in 2005 and is off to a good start in 2007. Mark Teahen had a 117 OPS+ from 3B last year; this year he's been shifted to RF because of Alex Gordon and has a 126 OPS+ (including a .403 OBP). Meanwhile, the Cubs spent more money on Bobby Brownlie (bust), Luke Hagerty (injuries - bust), Chadd Blasko (see Hagerty), Matt Clanton (see Blasko), Brian Dopirak (on the road to nowhere), Justin Jones (going nowhere), Billy Petrick (still some potential, but hasn't made it past AA), Matt Craig (hitting well this year, but still hasn't made it past AA after being drafted as a college player), and Rich Hill (hey look! a productive major leaguer!) In fact, the only guys the Cubs drafted who have made any impact at the major league level are Hill and Rocky Cherry. I'd have to take the A's draft over the Cubs draft. I think if you do this exercise for almost any draft in the late 90s and early part of this decade, you'd find that the A's were better at identifying major league talent. I never said they didn't pick some good players, I just said Brown wasn't one of them. It wasn't a bash on Beane at all. Every team has mistakes, obvioulsy some more than others. I do think Beane is put on too high of a pedestal at times though. I remember the backflash when the Cubs traded Adam Morrissey for Mark Bellhorn. Everyone thought Beane swindled the Cubs and nobody should ever trade with Oakland because he is a superior judge of talent than anyone else. Don't take it as a slam against Beane. I was just responding to the post that claimed Jeremy Brown selection was a success, it wasn't.

Going 3-10 in a September callup is far from a huge success. The other teams and GM's who passed on Brown were correct. Beane was the one who was wrong. No offense to Beane, it happens to everybody.

How is he continually taken out in the 4th? Well, if he cramps up around 60 pitches then I'm sure there would be multiple times where he wouldn't make it out of the 4th/5th inning. I'd rather not have a starter who cannot make it past the 60 pitch mark. So now he can't make it past 60 pitches? News to me. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070522cubsbits,1,4871807.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines Read that, then it won't be news to you anymore.

How is he continually taken out in the 4th? Well, if he cramps up around 60 pitches then I'm sure there would be multiple times where he wouldn't make it out of the 4th/5th inning. I'd rather not have a starter who cannot make it past the 60 pitch mark.

I'm surprised it took this long.

If Guzman truly cannot throw 65+ pitches without getting cramps, what are the Cubs supposed to do? Guzman has a long injury history, everyone knows that. If this has been a recurring problem, I think moving him to the bullpen is about the only option they can go with. I'd rather have him in the bullpen than being continually taken out in 4th inning as a starter. I realize this argument doesnt fit the "Cubs and Lou are idiots" mold, but so be it.

If these messages are real, he has serious problems. I would want nothing to do with him if I ran the TB organization.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2880144 He's a classy quote too.

That's very questionable. Are you kidding me? Soriano is a terrible defensive player no matter where you put him. Soriano's thrown more runners out in a month in LF than Murton has his whole big league career. Soriano's "terrible" in LF? Give me a break. Hater. A strong arm does not mean he's a good LF. He takes really bad routes, and positions himself pretty poorly. Sincerely, The Hater http://www.out-of-kilter.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/silky_johnson1.jpg When the games on the line who would you rather have in LF. A guy that can gun down that lead guy or a guy that occasionally takes better routes to fly balls? I'd rather have the guy who has the better chance of catching the ball in the first place than the guy who takes a stupid route and lets the ball go flying over his head. Maybe when his hammy improves Soriano will improve defensively, but so far I'm just not impressed. He looks clueless at times. I agree with you there. but what has Murton done to show he's any better defensively than Soriano this year? It is not like he hasn't had his bonehead moments either.

It's nonsense like this that explains why the Cubs would make such a move. Those who want to see Murton play do so becauase he's a cost effective option capable of putting up a solid 800+ OPS with a .350 or better OBP, not because they think he's great. But when you support such a player, the naysayers want to say you severely overrate said player because they assume that in order to really like a player it means you think he's tremendously productive. You don't have to be tremendously productive to be tremendously valuable to a major league roster. I like Murton because he is exactly what this team has lacked, and needed, for quite some time. People, including the Cubs, just don't get that. I get it quite fine thank you. Re-read my post, I don't want to trade him. He is a cheap, cost-effective option. But it is still my opinion that he is ovverated. He has potential to be a goodplayer, up until this point he has simply been average. And by average I mean based on typical production you would want out of a corner outfielder.

While I think it would be best not to trade him, I wouldn't exacty consider him untouchable. It all depends on the deal. It seems like for every team there is at least one guy who is severely overrated by its fans. There is no debate that player is Murton for the Cubs.

Said arm will fall off on Tuesday

:lol: that is all, the thread is hilarious.

Murton looked absolutely lost in that at bat.

Don't be licking yourself Javier!