i think we're looking at the same jacque jones, but we certainly differ as to what constitutes awful. a .301 OBP, for example, is awful. i don't care where it ranks among the rest of this sorry team, it's bad. if you want to compare his #'s to others and rank them, how about ranking his OPS among other rf'ers w/ 80+ abs...he'd be 21st. or his OBP...he'd be 24th. so if you're going to say he's average, at least compare him to the rest of the league instead of his terrible teammates. i do agree w/ you that aramis and pierre have been awful. I guess I just want to hear people rip the other players just as much as Jones. It seems like some people don't like Jones as much as other players and they place more blame on him because of it, which isn't fair to Jacque. hard to feel sorry for a guy who has been doubled off 2nd base three times in two weeks. sorry. plus, i think everyone has been getting ripped lately. pierre is hurting the cubs worse than jones, and he gets plenty of grief on the board. aramis is given a bit of slack because of what he's done in the past, but i have a feeling that if he continues to suck, that will change.