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hooray for pie taking walks and for marmol not giving any.

where are all the threads questioning zambrano's mental toughness? there sure were plenty about prior's, wood's and hill's. i guess because zambrano yells loud and hits homers everyone assumes he's a GAMER.

sticky please.

rich hill is good at pitching baseballs. who could have seen this coming?? tied for the best era in the NL.

yeah, the difference between hill and el duque alone is probably going to be at least 30 points. really good pitching helps a lot and really bad pitching kills you.

it looks like i kept the worst of the three. of course, it stings double because the guy i kept is hurting the cubs too...

I would disagree. While I could live with either option, being able to switch pitchers allows everyone to have 7 starts despite scheduling quirks. The whole point of the rule change was that you could go into a week being down 5 starts to 10 and you knew you would lose. It really didn't matter if your team was playing better. I do agree that we need clarification and to make the decision now. that doesn't necessarily allow everyone to have seven starts. some people only carry five or six pitchers.

I'll bet they find nothing that calls for surgery. But, whether he gets the knife or not, do you really want another year of this soap opera??? could someone please tell me what harm it does the organization to have prior sit on the DL for a year? they're not counting on him anyway.

I agree. We will continue with changes only on Sunday unless there is an injury. so can we make pitching changes mid-week in an effort to get seven starts? no. ok.

I agree. We will continue with changes only on Sunday unless there is an injury. so can we make pitching changes mid-week in an effort to get seven starts?

BOOO!!! bosox take papelbon out with a 10-1 lead even though he would have gotten a save!

wow, that got you back in the game quickly. :shock:

throw strikes, myers, you stupid piece of [expletive]. at least ensberg's doing some of the damage...

are we sure we can't fit one more zambrano start in?

and apparently you think the answer is manliness.

Again, examples are easy. Were I properly motivated, I guarantee you I could find plenty of examples where this level of ptiching (even "high stress" pitching) did not result in injury. Interesting as they may be, examples are not useful data for understanding cause and effect. geez...

we've always allowed mid-week subs for guys who were hurt, but not on the DL. you just can't put them on your DL.

we get it, joe...you're from chicago.

hill still gets stuck with catching the first pitch? ouch.

jones is out to prove to everybody that he can hit lefties, people.

at least pierre would make it all the way to second before he got tagged out.

too much money in soriano's pockets.

allowing people to make one substitution at each week would be hard to police.

sore back or something. reportedly not playing today.

But probably something like 95% of the most fatigued and stressful motions. Pretending that the 120th pitch is at all equal to the 1st is silly. thats probably not true when you look workout sessions. just go dig back through the 1960s stuff. You get stories of guys throwing 150 pitches consistently. Let's not be stupid, these guys could throw in the low 90s with good power curves and other things. Whatever difference there is now is minimal. Like i said there's little, if any, evidence to backup the claim that high pitch counts cause injuries. The actual motion itself is what's most important. If you have a problem with your throwing motion, like Prior does, every single throw you make hurts you. Regardless if its on the field or in the bullpen. When you look at that, the impact of 10-20 additional pitches becomes very small again. BR has pitch counts from 1988 on for Clemens (his age 25 season) 1988: He threw 150+ pitches four times. He threw 140+ another three times. He threw 130+ six more times. 1989: He thew 130+ 12 times, including 2 150+ games. Over the course of those two seasons he had 25 games with 130 or more pitches. He's been fine since. After 1990 pitch counts became more visible and the media started to scream about them so his PC slowly declined with time but he still went 130+ quite often. Let's look at Orel Hershiser! 1988: He topped 130 pitches once. 1989: He topped 130 pitches five times. Guess who missed most of the 1990 season with shoulder surgery? Not the guy who had the higher pitch counts. Let's look at Nolan Ryans 1989 season. I would assume that more pitches on a 42 year old arm would be more damaging than on a 23 year old arm, but thats me. 160-169: 1 150-159: 1 140-149: 5 130-139: 9 120-129: 5 110-119: 5 100-109: 4 090-099: 1 (99) Unknown: 1 He was fine. 1990 and 1991 were much of the same. He threw even more pitches when he was younger. Theres NO doubt in my mind that the arms in the 60s, 70s and 80s had more pitches than todays and as much torque. Arguing otherwise is stupid. that's just a couple guys though. i can just as easily say here are two guys (wood and prior) who were effected by high pitch counts.