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too much money in soriano's pockets.

allowing people to make one substitution at each week would be hard to police.

sore back or something. reportedly not playing today.

But probably something like 95% of the most fatigued and stressful motions. Pretending that the 120th pitch is at all equal to the 1st is silly. thats probably not true when you look workout sessions. just go dig back through the 1960s stuff. You get stories of guys throwing 150 pitches consistently. Let's not be stupid, these guys could throw in the low 90s with good power curves and other things. Whatever difference there is now is minimal. Like i said there's little, if any, evidence to backup the claim that high pitch counts cause injuries. The actual motion itself is what's most important. If you have a problem with your throwing motion, like Prior does, every single throw you make hurts you. Regardless if its on the field or in the bullpen. When you look at that, the impact of 10-20 additional pitches becomes very small again. BR has pitch counts from 1988 on for Clemens (his age 25 season) 1988: He threw 150+ pitches four times. He threw 140+ another three times. He threw 130+ six more times. 1989: He thew 130+ 12 times, including 2 150+ games. Over the course of those two seasons he had 25 games with 130 or more pitches. He's been fine since. After 1990 pitch counts became more visible and the media started to scream about them so his PC slowly declined with time but he still went 130+ quite often. Let's look at Orel Hershiser! 1988: He topped 130 pitches once. 1989: He topped 130 pitches five times. Guess who missed most of the 1990 season with shoulder surgery? Not the guy who had the higher pitch counts. Let's look at Nolan Ryans 1989 season. I would assume that more pitches on a 42 year old arm would be more damaging than on a 23 year old arm, but thats me. 160-169: 1 150-159: 1 140-149: 5 130-139: 9 120-129: 5 110-119: 5 100-109: 4 090-099: 1 (99) Unknown: 1 He was fine. 1990 and 1991 were much of the same. He threw even more pitches when he was younger. Theres NO doubt in my mind that the arms in the 60s, 70s and 80s had more pitches than todays and as much torque. Arguing otherwise is stupid. that's just a couple guys though. i can just as easily say here are two guys (wood and prior) who were effected by high pitch counts.

Please provide an example of these "many pitchers" that had similar loads. Remember, we aren't talking IP, we're talking pitches. Every pitcher in the 1960s? if you think every pitcher in the 1960's threw as hard with as much torque on their arms as Wood and Prior you are truly fooling yourself theres also little evidence to support that more pitches cause more injuries. lets be frank, those 120 pitches are far from the only movements the arm does over the course of the season. When you look at bullpens (even when theyre at say 85%), all the long toss sessions, all the arm strengthening routines and everything else, those additional 10 pitches each start represent less than say 1% of all the motion the arm goes through. right, but they don't put the same effort into the 120th pitch in the eighth inning of a game as they do in their bullpen season. additionally, they're much more fatigued when they are making that 120th pitch, so their mechanics are more likely to slip.

i don't think the cubs have enough offense w/o ramirez.

i subbed theriot in for an injured derosa.

i wish you great luck. obviously, i care just a little bit more than these jerks.

right...if you don't want it to be a competition as to who can make the most mid-week roster changes, then why allow people to make mid-week pitching roster changes? it was my understanding that you start the week with 5 SP's. if you were going to get more than 7 starts from those 5, you would reserve some pitchers to make sure you came in under 7. i didn't understand the rules to mean you could start with 5 pitchers and continue subbing in pitchers to make sure you reached the 7 start limit. if you can, in fact, do that, let me know now so i can pick up a FA pitcher who is making a start this weekend.

That's quite a stretch. Am I the only one who sees a pattern here? Tell me why a young pitcher, can't make it out of ST for four straight seasons ready to pitch in a big league game? Every year, he has had 5 months to rest, rehab, strengthen whatever, and he still can't get ready. How do the other guys do it? Please don't tell me he was overused by Dusty, that is the lamest excuse I have ever heard, and was 4 years ago. There are many pitchers, that have pitched 200+ innings year after year, and he has only done it once. This guy is missing something, and it isn't talent, but talent doesn't matter if you can't take the ball. boy, the anti-anti-pitch count people have such a rock solid argument. when he was throwing 130 pitches per game they said it would never end up hurting him. now that he's hurt, they say it wasn't from the 130 pitch games. infallable logic.

what do you not understand? this post... it seemed like half a sentence or something. roster moves have always been allowed midweek? i understand it if injuries are involved, but i was always under the impression that you set your roster for the week and were to leave it alone. now, with the seven start limit and new pitching rules, if we're allowed to swap pitchers in and out in an effort to reach those seven starts, that's fine. so i could pick someone up off waivers right now and put him in my lineup to get an extra start this week?

huh?

take smoltz out any time now. nevermind...leave him if he's going to k two guys in a row.

you didn't have to go through 11 pages and you know it.

yeah, i've missed out on five games this week. the champs may be starting out 0-2.

help me understand this stuff. just from eyeballing things it doesn't seem like the new scoring helps pitchers that much...but i can't remember what stuff was worth last season. for instance, last night bush's line looked like this... 6 ip, 13 tba, 1 er, 5 k's, 0 bb, w, qs he got 14 points. like i said, i don't remember what stuff was worth last year, but i know a an inning was worth 1.5, a win was worth 3, tba were -.25 each, and i think a qs was 7 (?). just based on those numbers, he would have scored 15.75. that's not factoring in k's (which i think we worth .25) or taking out earned runs. that doesn't seem like much of an increase...in fact, he may have scored more under last season's scoring. i understand that the new scoring helps a guy who throw eight innings and gives up two singles. and as juan said (and contreras proved) it hurts guys who suck. but it seems like it doesn't help guys who pitch decently (like bush)...in fact, it may hurt them. am i missing something?

geez, does he have mono or cancer or something?

but yesterday wasn't his first major league start...it wasn't like he got promoted wednesday morning. so you just made what amounts to a mid-week roster change...which is fine, if it's allowed now. i know that last year such a move wouldn't be allowed, but some of the pitching stuff changed for this year.

i'm confused... I had Heilman in one of my RP positions, Guzman on my reserve list, and Owings on my minor league roster. To activate Owings I had to drop somebody, since my major league roster was full, and it was Heilman that I dropped. That in turn left the RP position empty, so I moved Guzman into that position. so we can make mid-week roster changes? In the event of a trade, promotion to majors or injury - sure. was owings promoted?

i'm confused... I had Heilman in one of my RP positions, Guzman on my reserve list, and Owings on my minor league roster. To activate Owings I had to drop somebody, since my major league roster was full, and it was Heilman that I dropped. That in turn left the RP position empty, so I moved Guzman into that position. so we can make mid-week roster changes?

son of a bitch...both wickman and nathan have save opps taken away when their offense tacks on a bunch of extra runs. if we don't give points for wins, why do we give points for saves, by the way?

i'm confused...

remember when oliver perez was one of the best fantasy pitchers in the game? 2 2/3, 1 h, 3 er, 7 bb, 2 k's, hbp he finished his outing by walking four straight and hitting a batter.

well, you were either getting vlad, teix, a jones or soriano...couldn't keep all of them. i still think soriano will end up w/ more points than vlad...he's just really sucked so far.

Josh Beckett: 38.8 FPTS :) we'll see how he does when he's not pitching against a team that hasn't played in four months. :D i'm ok with that trade regardless, as beckett continued to suck last year and soriano was awesome. the move i may be regretting is keeping soriano over vlad.