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Seriously. Ryan Theriot hit a single yesterday. I want you to find me a quote from anyone that says that Ryan Theriot will never hit a single. I'll wait. Take all the time you need. Oh? Nobody has said that? Okay then. The argument against Ryan Theriot is not that he will never, ever do anything, and will hit .000/.000/.000 with zero putouts and zero assists. The argument is that over the course of a full season, Ryan Theriot is unlikely to be especially productive at shortstop - his median forecast is basically right at replacement level, and his high-end forecast still falls short of league average production from his position. He will occasionally have good days, sure - I'm sure I can find some game-winning hits from Neifi Perez if I go back and check the play-by-play records. But over time, the likelihood is that the bad days will outnumber the good. That said. If for whatever reason you will only be satisfied with Ryan Theriot's detractors if we say bad things about him even on the good days - I am there. I am so there. If that's really all that you need to... well, I have no idea why this seems to bother you, but if it does, I will go ahead and provide that valuable service to you. So far as I am capable, I will go ahead and find a way to communicate to you, personally, Ryan Theriot's worth as a starting shortstop - in game threads, in postgame discussions... any time, any place. You're welcome in advance. I think I am in love with this post! Welcome to the boards. Me too, because just what these boards need is more condescending posts. good grief, dude, get some thicker skin. truffle comes in guns-a-blazin because he thinks one swing of theriot's bat has somehow validated his against all odds crusade against cedeno, and he got put in his place. get over it.

hey marquis, how about not swinging at 2-0 pitches that are out of the strike zone?

marquis the pen, please.

the reason it was brought up in the earlier thread was because a relief pitcher was sucking. i was just surprised that someone other than me had a relief pitcher that sucked...i thought i cornered that market.

i like how you keep saying this as if it means anything.

I don't. Weekly subs are my favorite thing about this league. i agree. but it was established in one of the weekly threads somewhere that is was allowed.

Because the Brewers hammer lefties. and everyone hammers marquis.

It's just a continuation of last season. 2007 against lefties: .860 OPS 2007 against righties: .755 OPS hill 2007: very good marquis 2007: crappy Actually, Marquis was an above-average starter last year. fine. hill 2006-2007: very good marquis 2006-2007: crappy.

i realize they're better against lefties. but i'd rather send a good lefty up against a team that hits lefties well than a bad rigthy up against a team that his righties ok. if this were lilly, he would not be pushed back. right now, the cubs lack the type of #2 starter you're going to want for a playoff series. hill has the potential to be that guy, but it's not going to happen if they yank him after 5 innings every start and push him back every time a team that hits lefties pops up.

it's as if lou forgot hill's 2007 ever happened.

It's just a continuation of last season. 2007 against lefties: .860 OPS 2007 against righties: .755 OPS hill 2007: very good marquis 2007: crappy

ri-friggin-diculous. Milwaukee has a significantly better split against lefties than they do against righties: vs. RHP: .232 .298 .358 .656 vs. LHP: .290 .354 .534 .888 Don't insert logic into these discussions. It's much funner to call everyone in the organization stupid. since you're such a big fan of logic, i'll mention that we're 20 games into the season, so i probably wouldn't be crapping myself over their splits. secondly, hill's good and marquis sucks, so logically speaking, i'd probably want the good pitcher to have more starts.

ri-friggin-diculous.

that was a [expletive] ab he had in the 7th. yuck.

those may have been groundballs in that they hit the ground, but those were ropes. wuertz seems like he's either lights out or horrendous with little in between.

Yep, Wuertz and Lieber aren't at all at fault. :roll: Wuertz didn't really do anything wrong. He came in and got a couple ground balls... it's not his fault they weren't hit at anybody. those weren't ground balls.

just wanted to clarify. we can take out RP's based solely on their suckiness, right? of course, all of mine (except nathan...knock on wood) suck, so i think i'm going to start whichever one is least likely to pitch.

that first quote reminds me of marmol.

yeah, dusty and his 7-9, fourth place reds really put me in my place.

Probably because right now - those are the guys he trusts. Would you want to put Howry or Wuertz in a close game right now? I wouldn't and it looks like Lou wouldn't either. Let's not get caught up with long or short relief - just guys who will get outs until the rest of the bullpen straightens themself out. I hope/assume that will change in a couple weeks but for today it was smart and it worked. yeah, for today. and i'm guessing you'll be the first one crying about overuse when the cubs can't hold a lead in august because marmol's got a broken arm. you don't manage baseball games for today.

20 point reduction to nc cubbies please. nothing like looking to next week and seeing i have the pleasure of going up against double starts from both peavy and felix -- the two top scoring pitchers in the league.

if marmol can throw 40 pitches twice a week (maybe with a 12 pitch outing in there too), why can't he throw 100 pitches once a week?

is he missing big time? ball one to rivas showed as right down the middle on gamecast and so did ball two to sanchez.

he doesn't want the negative points burnett put up as a reliever to count since he wouldn't have gotten to keep those points had they been positive.