Why are you worried about trade value? Why don't you hope he's a good replacement for the fading Ward? Because hopefully, D-Lee wont be going anywhere soon, and if Hoff really is capable of what hes done in AAA the past few years as well as ST, he could land somewhere as a starter, an opportunity he'll never get with the Cubs. Some with Matt Murton. Hoff is 28. This is as good as it gets. Why can't he be our John Mabry type for a few years? Ward isn't going to last much longer. Murton is different. He is a couple years younger and owns a .295 MLB average. If we didn't talk him down he might have some trade value since, we agree, there is no use for him here. Is it possible if Edmonds continues his decline that we'd get a Soriano-Fukudome-Murton outfield? John Mabry?!? Come on now, give the guy some credit. At least he could be Todd Hollandsworth. If Edmonds doesnt produce, theyd probably go with Pie again. Murton was never much of a right fielder as I recall.