Little Slide Rooter

Yeah including Soriano and Grabow, but ignoring Pena seems really strange. Pena is probably the Cubs' best trade chip, unless they make Soto available. He said it was a list of guys that could be acquired just by taking the contract. Pena would require actual talent in return most likely. By the time the deadline hits, I dont know how much would be left on Kosukes contract, but Id just as soon take the prospects unless we were talking about enough money to sign a few of our overslot draft picks.

Interesting how it mentions the virtually unmoveable Soriano but completely ignores Carlos Pena.

Tim Hardaway does not approve.

That was Winger, and everything he does is creepy. Quite. Im not going to lie, I did like me some hair bands back in the day, but never got into Winger. All I remember about them is that the fat kid on Beavis and Butt Head wore their T-Shirt.

Theres also an 80's hair band who and a song called Seventeen. I guess anythings creepier when sung by a hair band, Forget who. It wasnt Poison, Bon Jovi, or one of the big ones though.

Yeah, but, like, who cares? He isn't helping the Cubs this year - no one is - and his $18 million next year could almost certainly be put to better use. Unless you believe he's going to reverse course next year (which is not inconceivable given how dominant he was in the second half last year), I just can't be too upset about losing Z's hypothetical production for 2012. NOBODY is saying that if someone wants to pick up the 18 mil that we shouldnt let them have him. The general consensus is that we shouldnt have to pay him more than 1/3 of his salary to pitch for someone else unless were getting some top prospects. If some team really wants to pick up the remainder of his contract, theres probabbly not a poster on this board who wouldnt happily drive him to the airport. Its similar to the Soriano situation. Sure, it would be better if we didnt have to pay him,but considering the production you get, if you do have to pay him anyway, it should be for us. I think you're wrong about that. For instance, anyone that believes that the Cubs can contend next year will disagree. Any equation that has the Cubs contending next year includes Z pitching like he has in the past. I wouldnt say that. Say you have a rotation of Garza, Demp, Cashner, Wells, and get lucky with someone like Sheets or Carpenter for cheap, that would be a solid rotation.

yes, 17 year olds are apparently children. Yeah, to WSR a 20-year-old mentioning a 17-year-old is just creep-city, dude. Maybe things were different back in the 60's in jolly old England, but my point of view is that once your college age, you shouldnt be picking or dating up high schoolers, unless say your an 18-19 year old Freshman or Sophmore and its someone youd been with since high school and theyre still there but youve moved on. Seriously? A 20 year old dating a 17 year old may be in bad taste, but it sure isn't pedophilia. No, not literally. Nobody can be facetious on this [expletive] board.

Yeah, but, like, who cares? He isn't helping the Cubs this year - no one is - and his $18 million next year could almost certainly be put to better use. Unless you believe he's going to reverse course next year (which is not inconceivable given how dominant he was in the second half last year), I just can't be too upset about losing Z's hypothetical production for 2012. NOBODY is saying that if someone wants to pick up the 18 mil that we shouldnt let them have him. The general consensus is that we shouldnt have to pay him more than 1/3 of his salary to pitch for someone else unless were getting some top prospects. If some team really wants to pick up the remainder of his contract, theres probabbly not a poster on this board who wouldnt happily drive him to the airport. Its similar to the Soriano situation. Sure, it would be better if we didnt have to pay him,but considering the production you get, whether its worth the salary or not, if you do have to pay him anyway, it should be for us.

yes, 17 year olds are apparently children. Yeah, to WSR a 20-year-old mentioning a 17-year-old is just creep-city, dude. Maybe things were different back in the 60's in jolly old England, but my point of view is that once your college age, you shouldnt be picking or dating up high schoolers, unless say your an 18-19 year old Freshman or Sophmore and its someone youd been with since high school and theyre still there but youve moved on.

You mean "I Saw Her Standing There"? thats the one.

Despite the fact that the relevant teams lost, which is pretty much meaningless, it was a very good day on the farm, at least for the hitters. as for Dolis, its the first time I can recall him melting down like that since Ive been following him, and that will happen to the best of em at some point.

Yeah, but what if beige jacket guy or Cubs sweatshirt guy had caught it? Then it would be known as the beige jacket guy ball or Cubs sweatshirt guy ball and headphones guy would have remained in obscurity, where they all belong.

Cant forget the pedophiles anthem, She was Just 17, which I believe is the 1st song off their 1st album. Sadly, Tiffany stole it in the 80's and ruined it for a generation.

Personally, I think he should wear what most 80 year olds wear in Miami, a Hawaiin shirt, hat, slippers or loafers with socks pulled up to the knees and shorts pulled up to the armpits.

The Yankees. I kid.

Yeah, I'd never even heard that soong until I got Beatles Rock Band.

Is the PCL really that hitter friendly, or are our Iowa starters just that bad?

Let's take this thread in a better direction before its ultimately locked as soon as the mods finish breakfast. I always though that Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite was a great, underrated Beatles song. At least as far as the psychadelic era goes. For the early songs, I'm Looking Through You is a great song that never got as much play as many of their others.

meh. Just try to at least split the 6 games vs. the White Sox.

Yeah. The guy got a raw deal, but it's a pretty unique story in the way everything played out. About the only other thing I can think of in baseball that's similar is the kid who screwed over the Orioles with the home run catch. That kid was responsible for a key homerun in a playoff game. Bartman interfered with a ball in foul play that Moises Alou, despite his temper tantrum, probably wasn't going to catch. If Alex Gonzalez doesn't choke, Bartman is a non story. Yet somehow nobody remembers Gonzalez. Plus, if you look at the famous picture, there are at leaast 2 other sets of hands reaching for the ball. Bartman was just the closest, and the fact that he looked like a goof with his headphones and turtleneck made him an easy scapegoat for the average meathead.

Hopefully Hendry can give Princey a nice big hug next time we meet the Brew Crew.

He also has an RBI 2B, batting 3rd. He's not as hot as he was at the beginning of the season, but he's seemed out of the slump lately.

Are we not in rebuild mode? If not, then why not? Maybe it signals that everyone is being evaluated for jobs next year. I love Z, and I personally think he is much more than a #4 starter, but if the Cubs could get some value for him they have to do it. We have the 2nd worst record in baseball. There are plenty of holes to fill on this team and unfortunately you have to trade value to get value. I doubt the Cubs are in rebuild mode. More like "2007 all over again" mode. They went from awful to two straight playoff appearances largely due to an aggressive free agent shopping spree. I'd have to imagine the "rebuild" playbook they're reading now looks like that, and not like, trade away all the expensive 30-somethings and look to contend a few years from now. Ergo, Z stays. Not necessary. This team may have its issues, but if healthy, its nowhere near 2006 bad. My ideal, realistic offseason would be: -Sign Pujols or Fielder for whatever it takes -Sign Ben Sheets, Chris Carpenter or someone of the like to an inexpensive, incentive laden 1 year deal -either decline Aramis' option and resign him for cheap, if he really loves the Cubs as much as he says. If not, try to trade for Mark Reynolds. -I also wouldnt be opposed to seeing of Kosuke would re-up for 1-2 years, in which case we could trade Byrd and give Brett Jackson CF and maybe see how bad Reed Johnson wants to hang around as a backup/plan B. -and of course, keep Z

I dont think there are any white knights. Zs production would be tough to replace, but nobodies saying he's untouchable, just that he shouldn't be railroaded out of town with nothing to show for it. If someone is willing to cough up a significant amount of his salary, or some really good prospects, then I'd have no problem with the trade. If we end up with a Carlos Silva type or a handful of fringe prospects and a small portion of cash, id have a big problem.

Must you turn this message board into a house of lies?