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I would think one mid-level prospect should be plenty.

Hopefully Selig read his quote and a suspension or fine is in order for questioning the integrity of an umpire.

Maybe we ought to go after Pujols or Fielder so we can have two 1B too.

Wait...what? Why? Because the Hendry bashers have to make sure "Hendry=Idiot" gets mentioned in every thread.

What you say up to this point is, for the most part, true - sure, we could nitpick, but generally, it's all logical. However, your further argument - that the Cubs have been to the playoffs more times than most people - doesn't really help your point much. You said that "Hendry's job is to put the Cubs in the best possible position to win the World Series every year. Period." But just because they've made the postseason 3 times since he's been here does NOT mean that he's put them in the best position to do so. I'm in agreement with Goony (I think it was him), who said that the Aaron Miles-type signings (the ones that cost a relatively small but nonetheless substantial amount of money for essentially zero or even negative value) are the most aggravating, and Hendry is guilty of more than enough of them. Those signings alone prove that he's NOT putting his team in the best position to win the World Series. Then, of course, there are plenty of other complaints, some more legitimate than others, that further demonstrate that Hendry has actually been underperforming, despite his 3 playoff appearances. I don't think anyone's suggesting there isn't room for improvement, and naturally not all of Hendry's moves have worked out. But what GM can't you say the same thing about? If you look at the complete body of work, though, Hendry's tenure has been successful despite whatever missteps one could point to. I totally agree with you Dave and have posted often about this point. I'm not advocating that we ignore payroll, but the bottom line is that Hendry has, and continues to, put the Cubs in a position to get to the playoffs every year. Piniella stated the other day that the Cubs had their "starting" lineup on the field for 2 games in the first half of the season and yet they're currently in 1st place. While we would all love to see a WS title, I've been a fan long enough to remember a decade full of Cub teams trying to get out of the cellar. Now that ARam is back, Soriano and Bradley are starting to hit, and the kids (Wells, Hart, and Fox) are helping, we should be okay. When Soto, Dempster, and Lilly return, we will have a better team on paper than any other NL team except the Dodgers and Hendry deserves credit for that.

All in the same deal? Attaboy Jim. 5 team deal. Royals get Aaron Miles Yankees get Micah Hoffpauir, Wellington Castillo, Phillies prospects Phillies get Sam Fuld, Justin Berg, Robinson Chrinos Brewers get JR Mathes, Bobby Scales, Yankees prospects Cubs ge Greinke, A Rod, Utley, and Hoffman+cash I wouldn't do that deal. Sam Fuld is just too good to part with for anyone less than Pujols. Pujols would be a great addition to our bench and to sub for Lee. =D>

Next Topic: Rickets wins $100 billion in the lottery to help pay for Halladay, Haren, Dunn, and Bradley's contract.

If the Cubs had the money to pay Dunn, Beimel, and $4 million of Bradley's contract, they would have made a deal for somebody weeks ago.

How about a deal for Sherrill with Zaun as a throw-in?

The fact that you have to ask that question is sort of shocking. Yes. It is possible to be a good hitter that does not slug. I didn't say they would be a scrub. I just meant that they would not be considered legends like they are. I think 100+mph fastballs and nasty Carlos Marmol sliders make a little difference. I think that scouting has advanced a great deal over the years as well. Teams have a better understanding of how to pitch guys now that they have instant access to basically any split stat possible. Good question. What would be your answer? I'm getting the vibe that you feel there was a large difference in the game between 1900 and 1950, for example, but not between 1950 and 2000? So where does the line get drawn? I would say that Williams would have a better shot than most of those guys in today's game. I still don't think he'd be anywhere near a batting title though. A great hitter like Williams, Mays, Aaron, Ruth, Gehrig, etc. would be a great hitter in any era. These guys had the hand-eye coordination and timing to be great no matter who they would be facing.

Not if you need a loogy in the bullpen and Hart doesn't really fit into your team's plans.

And people are saying the Cardinals package with Wallace isn't enough? The Jays appear to be looking for MLB ready or near ready talent. Marshall seems like he's "just a guy" otherwise he'd be pitching every 5th day now. Vitters looks very promising, but he's only 19 and at high A right? I don't know much about the other guys, but I figure it's the same for you when Cards fans mention Todd, Jones, Kozma etc. We ALL overvalue our team's prospects. With all the Halladay talk, it's going to be interesting to see if a team swoops in and gets Cliff Lee. I'm not sure you can make that statement about most posters at NSBB. Everytime I read about our prospects they're referred to as "garbage", while every other team seems to have "can't miss" prospects headed to the HOF. BTW, I think that package would be overpaying for Halladay.

so if he's performing great and is cheap, why would the nationals give him to us for our crap? He was performing and cheap with the Pirates when they traded him. I'm thinking the Nationals need so much that an offer of Hart plus a lower prospect might give them a young, cheap pitcher who can start or relieve plus a prospect.

I think extending Wilson and Sanchez is a move to save the few fans they have left since neither Wilson or Sanchez will be around when the Pirates are competitive again.

While I agree that I would like to upgrade the offense, there aren't many options out there. As others have pointed out, 2B is where we would have to look. The real upgrade would be Sanchez, but it looks like Hendry is in a financial crunch. The only real hope the Cubs have is that the players they have (Bradley, Soriano, Soto, Fukudome, Fontenot/Baker) start producing.

I'm all for the BJ Ryan signing, but I would love to see the Cubs go after Sean Burnett of the Nationals. His numbers this year have been great, but past numbers suggest that he should be used as a Loogy. He's only 26 years old and making $415,000. Maybe Hart alone or with a lower prospect might get the trade done. If Ryan is reasonably successful, adding Burnett would allow Marshall to be available for the Harden/Dempster drama.

Are you just refusing to factor in how paying someone like Vernon Wells 25 mil a year over the next several years could hamstring a team? Keeping that contract hurts them...it's worth a prospect or two to get someone to take his contract off of their hands. For example, if it weren't for Soriano's contract (or others), we might have actually sealed the deal on Peavy in the offseason. Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks this way, as Toronto has already stated they're going to try to package them. I totally understand keeping Wells hurts the Jays in the future, but accepting less than maximum value for Halladay by packaging Wells with him also hurts the Jays in the future. I guess it's hard to argue the point since we don't know what package(s) being offered for Halladay and/or Halladay/Wells to compare them, but the Jays have a chance to really load up with top prospects by trading Halladay alone. Also, it's not out of the question that somebody might take a chance on Wells during the offseason if the Jays eat a decent chunk of his contract.

Also, it's really hard to compare totally different eras, but I would think Williams would be near the top if you're talking about the complete package. As OMC posted, Hornsby only played for the Cubs for 4 years. Madlock was a great hitter, but was a Cub for only a few years. I'm afraid Sosa can't be taken seriously as "one of the greatest" hitters or sluggers because of the PEDs allegations. A player like Bonds was a great player before PEDs, while Sosa never distinguished himself beforehand.

Have you looked at what Wells numbers look like, and what the rest of his contract looks like? They need to get rid of him, badly. He's worth packaging even if it decreases Halladay's value. The question is how much devaluation is acceptable. The original point was that the Yankees were a team that could afford Halladay and Wells. Assuming Halladay can get you 4 prospects (3 very good and 1 good) from a team like the Phillies or Cardinals, do you really think they would send Halladay and Wells to an AL East team for less? It's not like unloading the ridiculous contract on the Yankees is going to hurt them, thus improving the Jays chances in the future. Unloading Halladay for less then maximum value would be ridiculous.

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade. Absolutely dead wrong. Nobody will take Wells in a trade for something useful. There's plenty of other bad contracts out there that other teams may not mind swapping for Wells, depending on the other factors in the trade. For example, you know the Giants would do a Zito for Wells swap in a heartbeat. Of course the Giants would, but the Jays wouldn't. The Jays are trying to rebuild and not take on new, lousy, expensive players to replace their old, lousy, expensive players. If Zito had only 2 years at $19 million per, the Jays might think about it to save some money in the long run.

The Jays have already stated that it would be much more expensive in terms of prospects for a team in the AL East (Yankees) to acquire Halladay. Since the rumors are already stating the Jays would get probably 4 prospects for Halladay alone, I would think 2 more for Wells isn't out of the question unless they up the quality of the prospects. If adding Wells to the deal decreases Halladay's value, they would be crazy to include him.

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade. The Yankees might if the Jays dont mind sending him there. New Yankee Stadium would be the ideal place for a guy like Wells to find himself. While I agree that the Yankees might be the team that could afford to take a chance on him, that's still an awful amount of money to pay in the future hoping that someone will find himself. Also, would Wells "find himself" with the daily scrutiny of NY media and fans? Finally, would the Yankees virtually strip their minor league system (6+ prospects) for a sure thing (Halladay) and a really expensive long-term committment to someone looking to "find himself"? The Yankees would probably be very interested if the deal included Rios instead of Wells.

Halladay doesn't become cheaper, he becomes untradeable. Repeat after me "Nobody Will Take Wells In A Trade.

I don't think Baker is the second coming of Sandberg, but Baker has been injured most of the season and is just coming back. Let's give him a few more ABs before saying he's worthless.

You should be on Last Comic Standing - Calling Gallagher, Patterson, and Murton major league ready players. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: