and im sure he just picked guys that were notorious burnouts that he remembered. I am sure I can find a lot of guys who are not HOFers who had long careers. I found this quote weird: 31% of all injured pitchers had above average career PAP totals for their career pitch counts. Now, obviously, if 31% of all injured pitchers had above average career PAP totals for their career PCs, then that must mean that 69% of all injured pitchers had career PAP totals below their career pitch counts. The last statistic just shows that most pitchers now who are healthy are young and are getting babied more often. There's no doubt in my mind that average PAP per PC today is lower than it was fifteen years ago. Don't patronize me. I know exactly what PAP is and I know how it's calculated. Im not saying high stress pitches dont lead to injuries, im just saying its overblown. Minor league P injury rate is about the same as the rate in the majors. I highly doubt any minor league Ps have a very high PAP, which doesnt even kick in until 100 pitches. My point is that its more likely that the mechanics are the things that cause the injuries the most. Adding a lot of pitches to bad mechanics increases the likelihood of getting hurt. The pitches themself, probably dont mean much.