Mephistopheles

whered you get that map

NO!! THEY NEVER JOG. NEVER! They run around the bases in twenty seconds.

well there's no real link between ticket price raises and salary increases. It's the other way around. Higher demand for the sport raises the ticket prices as owners maximize profit, higher profits lead to higher salaries.

Enough with the alluding to the statistics: 1. .317 Takahashi, Yoshinobu YG 2. .316 Fukudome, Kosuke CD 3. .312 Woods, Tyrone CD 4. .311 Rhodes, Tuffy OB 5. .303 Ogasawara, Michihiro YG 6. .301 Yamasaki, Takeshi RGE 7. .297 Abe, Shinnosuke YG 8. .297 Aoki, Norichika YS 9. .295 Inaba, Atsunori NHF 10. .294 Murata, Shuichi YBS 11. .294 Ramirez, Alex YS 12. .293 Cabrera, Alex SL 13. .291 Kawasaki, Munenori FSH 14. .291 Nakamura, Norihiro CD 15. .291 Zuleta, Julio CLM 16. .289 LaRocca, Greg OB 17. .289 Sato, Takahiko SL 18. .288 Kanemoto, Tomoaki HT 19. .288 Morino, Masahiko CD 20. .287 Kokubo, Hiroki FSH 21. .287 Lee, Seung-yeop YG 22. .286 Wada, Kazuhiro SL 23. .285 Kusano, Daisuke RGE 24. .284 Kurihara, Kenta HC 25. .283 Nioka, Tomohiro YG Nioka and Fukudome could be coming over this year.

I think he said it earlier in the thread (and if he didn't I believe this would be why) but it's because DLee played in 150 games to Soriano's 135 and Ramirez's 132. Rammy's OPS was .915 while Lee's was .913 but that .002 point difference is more than negated by Lee's playing 18 more games. Additionally Lee's was OBP heavy. Still not sure I agree, as I see a big advantage to Ramirez on defense.(Above average defense at 3B outweighing great defense at 1B((That and Lee's defense seemed down to me this year(((untrusting of defensive metrics)))))) Point being I think it's far easier to find an average fielding 1B putting up replacement level offense than it is to find an average fieldign 3B putting up replacement level offense. Lee's defense is better than Ramirez's over average at the position, to the point where the difference in playing 1b/3b isnt much. Using +5 defense for Rammy and +15 for Lee, the FRAR would be 25 for Lee and +27 for Rammy.

IM STILL WORKING ON MINE. We have a problem. Ill be done by Saturday making modifications. Example: 26.9 Barry Bonds 10.9 Sammy Sosa 4.1 Augie Ojeda Ill get on it.

how about uninterrupted access to their databases?

please trade both

The Rockies had the best record in the NL since the middle of May you know... Im just saying..

The only thing I would consider remotely similar between the two teams are that they are wild card teams. I don't see much of a comparison between them.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2007-10-16-fantasy-statistics_N.htm

Yeah why would I want to rank Pujols second?

Im guessing it goes back to the team again. Maggs runs were more valuable to his team than Arods were to the Yankees, since the Yankees had a better offense around him. I think that is where Meph is making his argument for Maggs being the most Valuable. Alright. So this is kind of a...."I have a grading system and this is out it came out" thing. That's cool. Well its really a system of taking everything into account, instead of looking at 1 category like most of the voters will do. Meph is discussing the most valuable player, not necessarily the best player in the league. I hope Im describing this right, and not speaking wrongly for Meph. This is true. For the third time: These rankings do not rank best players in the league.

I know very well that the voting won't turn out this way. This is just how I would vote. Braun's offense has been amazing, but his defense is historically bad for a 3B. It's to the point where it matters so much mediocre players are close to his level. At no point did I say these rankings reflect how good each player is or even how many runs each guy produced. I have no doubt that Holliday produced more runs than Pujols (about 86 to 77). I have no doubt that Rodriguez produced more runs than Ordonez (97 to 94). I have no doubt that Oswalt produced more runs on the mound than Zambrano and Wainright (60 to 39, 38 respectively). I do believe that the runs created by the players who produced less runs caused more wins for their team. That's the whole point of the rankings. I can convert these to world series ring probability added, but you're not going to like the rankings, here you go: 3.6% Alex Rodriguez 3.6% David Ortiz 3.3% Josh Beckett 2.7% David Wright 2.6% Mike Lowell 2.4% Jorge Posada 2.2% Carlos Beltran 2.1% Chien-ming Wang 2.1% Jose Reyes 2.0% Matt Holliday The whole point of the rankings I gave say this. If the Cardinals lost Albert Pujols they would be x in wins worse. If the Rockies lost Matt Holliday they would be y in wins worse. x > y, so Pujols means more to the Cardinals than Holliday to the Rockies. Of course, but not the way you guys would think. VORP is used here. VORP is not something that says how many runs he produced on a nuetral field. In the case of Tulo, sure he hit a lot better at home, but he produced a lot more than an average guy would at coors. Production over average would go something like this Tulo Production in Runs - League Average Production in Runs for a team who plays 1/2 games at Coors (well they use PAs but Ill ignore that). So really all we need to find our neutral production ratings is the run factor. Nothing else matters. If say Tulo produces 20 runs on the road, 40 runs at home. An average guy produces say 50 runs a season and the run factor of coors is 1.20, then tulos production over average would be 20 + 40 - 25 - 25*(1.2) = +5. Tulo actually produced below average on the road, but his value at home outweighed it enough to make him a net positive player.

SOS = Strength Of Schedule it uses RS and RA. I probably should have scaled Rs and Ra, but I did not. The whole idea that pitching wins championships and games really is overblown.

i was asking huber because of his skepticism of the model

Did you read the thread?

the cubs would have stood a better chance than the diamondbacks and phillies. they'd run quality pitching out there each start (which is more than the other two can say)

i did it last season with graphs and stuff and posted it here. its on my blog(which would be a good read if I actually used it). if you ever wanted to know how i would post w/o the mean just read some of the posts there. There are some things I added this year. Defense, bullpen, GRIT, etc.

nobody said that. no one should infer that. this isnt a list for the best players in the game.

Ok so Lee is a +15 over a average 1b Granderson is a +15 over a average CF. This is starting to come together for me. Though I agree with XFactor in that defense at 1b is probably generally undervalued. I still have a hard time seeing that Lee's defense at 1b makes him as valuable of a player as Granderson. I am going to go to bed now. If you could come up with anything to justify this I would be more than welcome to try and understand. sorry i didnt see this post. see above. in reality for the tigers each run produced didnt mean as much for them as the run produced for the cubs. (ditto for Ordonez over Rodriguez and Yankees/Tigers). Since this is value to a team we have to account for this.

helton played on a team where runs werent scarce. In other words his runs meant less to the rockies than the lee's meant to the cubs, when converted to runs. This is the main reason Peavy was first. His run value wasnt the best, but each run he was worth meant more converted to wins than say someone like rodriguez's.

i had lee at plus fifteen. when i say +15, thats +15 over an average 1B. +15 1B =/= +15 CF theres another part of defense too you know

For what its worth I orginally computated these before I had 07 UZR data. Granderson was at +5 or so (mainly based on his performance prior to this season). He was like +18 UZR and I didnt change that because Im lazy. I tried not to use just one year of data so I would rate Granderson somewhere close to 15. At +15 he's between Utley and Lee. He's really the only guy who completely changed his defensive output this (him and crisp) I keeped my run totals at 5 run intervals. If theyve got a good reputation and their normally say a +18 defender Ill give them a +15 or +20 defensive rating. If theyre normally say +10 statistically but they have a bad reputation Ill give them a +5 or +10.

not really no.