killthegoat06

If our starters turn out like this: Z Hill Lilly Jennings Prior/Miller Soriano Lugo/Lofton Lee Ramirez Barrett Murton DeRosa Izturis Would it be a horrible problem or would we have a decent chance at contending?

Cards better not get Schmidt.

So why didn't 8 for Soriano get same reaction? If we do it for Soriano please do it for Schmidt.

Sign Lilly, Zito, trade Zambrano for a left-handed starter, start Cotts, and problem fixed. :lol:

I beat him and yet we're using his thread!? Ugghh... I just can't win. :)

Beat you. Plus I have a better title. :lol:

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You may be right, but if the a good opportunity came up to acquire Tejada or ARod, I think you would see Hendry fall out of love with him very quickly. Probably. Maybe Hendry is thinking Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then deal Izzy? Maybe get lucky and Izzy does semi-decent which turns in to some trade value? I'm trying to think this through on Jim's behalf, but I'm having difficulty with the apparent infatuation with putting Lugo in CF... Izzy is a free agent after this season.

If Hendry became smart: Lofton Lugo Lee Ramirez Soriano Barrett Murton DeRosa That's not too shabby...

Roger's trib article:

If Schmidt is even considering moving away from the West Coast the Cubs cannot "pull from" the derby. I think the only other non-West Coast team interested in him are the Cards. If the Cards get him and we don't ... Unrelated to my above point, this is from Roger's tribune article:

Schmidt will probably draw things out ... ugh

would be nice to kill two birds with one stone. It also says that the cubs probably won't sign Schmidt because of their offer to Lilly.

I wouldn't mind Lilly if we get Schmidt too. That doesn't appear likely, though, We should sign Schmidt first if we sign both so that we don't increase the marke for our own signing.

We offerred arbitration to Will Ohman, right?

He's better than Gil Meche. Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche? Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option. 5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less. Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol: That also means he did worse against everyone else.

Time to get them.

Haven't seen it posted yet. I would hope we see the full list tomorrow. Is the deadline midnight? 11 CT, 12 ET

Just a bit.

Is your argument that Barrett isn't and Jones is? Barrett's last 3 year OPS+ 06:121 05:113 04:105 He outpaced Jones by an average of 15 points a year. My argument was that Jones is better than Lugo. I just implied it poorly. What is your point with mentioning Barrett????? Forget about it. It was a bad argument.

What about us?

Lugo OPS+ 06:94 (122 in TB) 05:105 04:94 Jones OPS+ 06:107 05:99 04:90 Jone's 3 year OPS+ (straight) average is 1 point higher than Lugo's and Lugo's is 27 points higher than Izturis'. To be fair, you'd have to add 50 more > to the Lugo/Izturis comparison. Of course, Lugo will cost nearly as much as both Jones and Izturis combined, so that needs to be considered. After looking into the #s I don't really think that if we can get something decent for Jones, it would be so horrible to replace his production with Lugo, especially when you take into consideration the predicament we will be in next offseason at SS if we don't. Your fancy stats just reinforced my point. Jones is a much better option for CF than Lugo, who is an extremely better option at SS than Izturis. Lugo will not bring enough production to warrant the 3-5M that he'll cost more than Jones. But he will surely be worth the 3M that he'll cost more than Izturis in 08. You also have to factor in who we could get for Jones and that we will have to pick up Izturis' option in 08. On a straight production basis, Lugo and Jones are about equal. Barrett is not a #5 hitter on a world series contender. Is your argument that Barrett isn't and Jones is? Barrett's last 3 year OPS+ 06:121 05:113 04:105 He outpaced Jones by an average of 15 points a year. My argument was that Jones is better than Lugo. I just implied it poorly.

If we traded for him, we would probably extend him.

Lugo OPS+ 06:94 (122 in TB) 05:105 04:94 Jones OPS+ 06:107 05:99 04:90 Jone's 3 year OPS+ (straight) average is 1 point higher than Lugo's and Lugo's is 27 points higher than Izturis'. To be fair, you'd have to add 50 more > to the Lugo/Izturis comparison. Of course, Lugo will cost nearly as much as both Jones and Izturis combined, so that needs to be considered. After looking into the #s I don't really think that if we can get something decent for Jones, it would be so horrible to replace his production with Lugo, especially when you take into consideration the predicament we will be in next offseason at SS if we don't. Your fancy stats just reinforced my point. Jones is a much better option for CF than Lugo, who is an extremely better option at SS than Izturis. Lugo will not bring enough production to warrant the 3-5M that he'll cost more than Jones. But he will surely be worth the 3M that he'll cost more than Izturis in 08. You also have to factor in who we could get for Jones and that we will have to pick up Izturis' option in 08. On a straight production basis, Lugo and Jones are about equal. Barrett is not a #5 hitter on a world series contender.

Obviously that's what we all want. It is looking like Schmidt may not happen, but it might. Your Manny trade makes no sense for them, IMO. I think they want more than just a reliever and the prospects we'd be willing to give up. Don't expect to see Manny in a Cubs uniform in 2007. By the way, If what you want occurs, the "flaws and obstacles" would not stop that team from being a serious World Series contender.