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Remlinger had a shoulder injury when he signed with the Cubs. Hawkins pitched in a dome stadium. Much different pitching in doors than it is out doors.

I believe, and I may be wrong, but didnt several teams offer more money, and years for Howry and Eyre. As I recall, both Howry and Eyre were surprised at the number of years and contract figures they got from the Cubs. Neither was expecting those kinds of contracts. I could be mistaken in remembering this and other teams could have thrown comparable contracts at them, but I've seen this particular point brought up often enough by different people to make me believe I'm remembering it correctly. I don't remember Howry, but I remember Eyre's agent was shocked at the deal Hendry offered...Eyre didn't think twice about signing with the Cubs. So what im hearing is you rather not have signed Eyre? You would rather have some random rookie going out there, like last year, and blowing a lead? I dont have a problem overpaying for 2 quality set-up men.

Oh, no way. I don't have a link handy, but someone used to have a quote in his sig from Eyre talking about how Eyre had established some ideal terms with his agent and Hendry's offer just blew those away. So you payed a couple of extra million for Howry and Eyre. Not a big deal. Im not second guessing those deals. Howry and Eyre are 2 of the best set-up men in the league.

I believe, and I may be wrong, but didnt several teams offer more money, and years for Howry and Eyre.

didn't hendry actually say he could have had a couple of high-level prospects for maddux, but chose izturis instead? if hendry actually did say that, then people have every right to criticize what he got in return. Yes, he said it when he was talking to Len and Bob during the game. If im the Dodgers, im not dealing 2 highly regarded prospects for a 40yr old pitcher. According to Hendry, he turned down two "top prospects" from the Dodgers when he realized that he could get Izturis. That is what he said on air with Len and Bob. So obviously Coletti was willing to trade those "top prospects" unless Hendry is lying. My guess is that it was two prospects, but not the actual top prospects that everyone has been salivating over. I wouldn't put it past Hendry to stretch the truth to make his move seem better. Sounds like he was just doing a sales pitch to me. On the other hand, if he really was offered two top prospects or Izturis, he'd be stupid to pick Izturis. Yep, like I said in a previous post. No way would the Dodgers deal 2 "highly regarded" prospects for a 40yr old pitcher. Im pretty sure Jim would make the best deal for trading Maddux. He stated this several times. Did you figure in Coletti's serious man-love for Maddux? I dont think Coletti was banking the rest of his season in a Maddux deal. If he was so desperate for Maddux, then why didnt this move get done weeks ago? If you ask me, Coletti was not desperate for Maddux.

didn't hendry actually say he could have had a couple of high-level prospects for maddux, but chose izturis instead? if hendry actually did say that, then people have every right to criticize what he got in return. Yes, he said it when he was talking to Len and Bob during the game. If im the Dodgers, im not dealing 2 highly regarded prospects for a 40yr old pitcher. According to Hendry, he turned down two "top prospects" from the Dodgers when he realized that he could get Izturis. That is what he said on air with Len and Bob. So obviously Coletti was willing to trade those "top prospects" unless Hendry is lying. My guess is that it was two prospects, but not the actual top prospects that everyone has been salivating over. I wouldn't put it past Hendry to stretch the truth to make his move seem better. Sounds like he was just doing a sales pitch to me. On the other hand, if he really was offered two top prospects or Izturis, he'd be stupid to pick Izturis. Yep, like I said in a previous post. No way would the Dodgers deal 2 "highly regarded" prospects for a 40yr old pitcher. Im pretty sure Jim would make the best deal for trading Maddux. He stated this several times.

Slow down, that never happened. I took full responsibility for the Maddux for LaRoche thing because I was openly pining for him and never posted any rumors, sources, or whatever that said the Cubs were talking about Maddux for LaRoche. I wanted that trade to happen, despite the incredibly low probability that it would, due to the rumors that Ramirez would opt out and that the Cubs were reportedly looking to trade him. I never reported it like it was a fact. Anyone who construed it to be me actually reporting that as a credible rumor is a nitwit. Ignorant statement. I never accused you of anything. Its when some random person post a rumor/ trade they would like to happen, people jump all over it, and begin to think it is possible. Then they get mad, because they think they could of got a highly regarded prospect or two in return for Maddux. Jim Hendry himself said he could've gotten 2 high level prospects for Maddux, but couldn't pass on Izturis. I don't know what else could qualify as conclusive proof. I didnt watch the game today, so I didnt hear him say this.

Slow down, that never happened. I took full responsibility for the Maddux for LaRoche thing because I was openly pining for him and never posted any rumors, sources, or whatever that said the Cubs were talking about Maddux for LaRoche. I wanted that trade to happen, despite the incredibly low probability that it would, due to the rumors that Ramirez would opt out and that the Cubs were reportedly looking to trade him. I never reported it like it was a fact. Anyone who construed it to be me actually reporting that as a credible rumor is a nitwit. Ignorant statement. I never accused you of anything. Its when some random person post a rumor/ trade they would like to happen, people jump all over it, and begin to think it is possible. Then they get mad, because they think they could of got a highly regarded prospect or two in return for Maddux.

didn't hendry actually say he could have had a couple of high-level prospects for maddux, but chose izturis instead? if hendry actually did say that, then people have every right to criticize what he got in return. Yes, he said it when he was talking to Len and Bob during the game. If im the Dodgers, im not dealing 2 highly regarded prospects for a 40yr old pitcher.

8:00 AM Saturday morning Jim: He dude, Maddux said he would like to play in LA, who do you have availible for a trade? LA GM: Well, Jim, we have a few guys @ LAs Vegas, Joel Guzman or some kid named Either. What do you think about one of those guys? Jim: Well, I guess I was thinking of someone, well, abit more talented. What about Cesar Izturis? I like him, he can catch the ball. We'll even pick up a good portion of Maddux's salary... LA GM: (passed out because of sheer surprise. Isnt found until Monday afternoon at 3 pm) Jim: Hello? Hello? shoot..maybe i asked for too much..... LA GM Assistant: hey, dude, you ok??? LA GM: (slowly awakes from a 2 day slumber) woa..man..I had the weirdest dream. I had a dream I was talking to Jim Hendry and he wanted to take Izturis off my hands and basically give me Maddux...weird. LA GM Assistant: Had to have been a dream. Jim isnt that stupid. why is your phone off the hook? (LA GM and LA GM Assistantglance at eachother) LAGM: quick, GET JIM ON THE PHONE!! and the deal is made. seriosly, we got hoodwinked. To think the Cubs had a shot at Either or Guzman for Maddux is insane. Someone on this site posted a false rumor, or heard a false rumor that would send LaRoche to the Cubs for Maddux. Now when everyone seen that, they jumped to conclusions. No way in hell would the Dodgers deal LaRoche for Maddux. Lets be realistic in what the Cubs could of have received in return for Maddux.

Prior, Cedeno, Hill and another guy for Tejeda? Hell, im willing to throw in Pie also.

I dont want to see Rusch. It better be Guzman

What an idiot. Hendry gets played and is completely oblivious to it. So what does the infield for next year look like? 1B) Derrek Lee 2B) Cesar Izturis or Ronny Cedeno SS) Cesar Izturis or Ronny Cedeno 3B) David Bell (acquired as a free agent after Aramis opts out) MI) Neifi Perez The rest of the teams in the NL Central must be quaking in their boots. Make a deal for Tejeda, and move Izturis to 2b.

Getting nothing back would literally have been better. Thats a joke. I rather get something, rather than nothing for him.

What does everyone here think the Cubs could of got in return for Maddux from the Dodgers? To think they could of got a top prospect is just insane.

I'm going to pretend I didn't see this post. There's nothing to like about having someone on the same offensive level as Neifi playing every day. Not to mention he'll be getting paid more than Neifi to be Neifi for 2+ more years. So basically you would of just kept Maddux, and let him walk for nothing? Izturis was a solid player in 04. .288 Average .330OBP 4hr 62RBI 25SB, not to mention the guy is excellent with the glove.

I like this deal. Now Hendry can try to get Tejeda this off-season, and move Izturis to 2b.

According to ESPN.

Not sure who was going to KC.

Done Deal. Walker to Padres for a prospect.

Xavier Nady going to Pirates. Its a done deal.

Heard it on ESPN. Close to a deal.

fixed it man.

Heard it on ESPN radio. This just makes me laugh. :lol:

Atlanta also wants Jon Lester in return for Jones. I dont see this deal happening.