Sammy Sofa
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why do you think that? Because, for the billionth time, I think he's a certain type of scumbag. I don't care if it's biased. I don't care if I'm wrong; if I am I am. Right now I think he's guilty and I really don't give a [expletive] about being "fair" over it and I don't have to be. And someone being famous and/or rich doesn't suddenly skew rape and sexual assault towards false accusations. When someone with money is accused of murder, do you suddenly think there's a much better chance they're being framed? Someone with means is fare more likely to get away with heinous [expletive] because of their means as opposed to being targeted by things like false rape accusations, but you're seemingly trying to infer that the accused being rich suddenly makes the possibility of them being framed for rape something that's likely to happen.
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I'll bet every single [expletive] dollar I have that Patrick Kane has sexually assaulted someone before this.
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Sure, you say this, but then turn right around and say THIS: Again with the meaningless bias complaint. Of course what I'm saying about Kane is colored by my opinion of him and what he's accused of; you just don't like hearing it. Obviously what I'm saying isn't any kind of fact, but this nonsense where you keep trying to act like both parties are the victim here is absurd.
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That's a damn good analogy.
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this is totally laziness on your part. in a vacuum, yes, but you are treating this accusation like any other accusation when it's clearly not. Him being a celebrity shouldn't automatically cast doubt on a criminal investigation; he's just as capable of committing the crime just like anybody else. When the cab story came out did you figure there was a good chance he was just being set up there, too?
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I can conclude whatever I want; he seems like a rich aggro douche who's basically been an entitled star his entire life who has a drinking problem and problems with violence (the Madison debacle alone is like a microcosm of everything wrong with him). I'm "condemning" a very specific type of [expletive] there, not "dudes who like to get hammered." Patrick Kane isn't like you or your friends or anyone you know, so what's this "entire culture" you're so worried about? Millionaires who have been sports stars since they were teenagers who have drinking and violence issues and act like most women are nothing but [expletive] toys or worse?
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where did i say he didn't do it, or even i think he didn't do it? That whole discussion between you and jersey at the top of the page is about as *wink-wink, nudge-nudge* as you can get without flat out saying, "I don't think he did it." If you were just explaining why you think he's not going get in any real trouble even if he did do it, then my apologies; to me it came across as more than that. more playing the devil's advocate. as disgusting as rape is, being falsely accused is a horrible thing as well. Being falsely accused of anything is horrible; it's stupid that people think false sexual assault accusations happen anywhere near the scale and scope of actual sexual assaults. They're not things that need to be weighed on any kind of equal scale or equal time. That Patrick Kane raped this woman is far, far, far, far, FAR more likely than him being set up with a fake rape charge.
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no, not that simple to recognize. within the opinions themselves is rooted a clear bias, here, an absolute assumption born of disgust, that he raped that girl. So what? I think he's a scumbag who's probably crossed the line before. ok, then don't get all ruffled when someone makes an insinuation that the girl is doing this for money, and that his family guards him from this type a of [expletive] because it's happened before. Why not? I'm not complaining about semantic nonsense like opinion vs. bias. If I think the argument is full of [expletive] I take it on.
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Eh; it's relatively suspect that guys like Harper or Trout don't get the same criticism.
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where did i say he didn't do it, or even i think he didn't do it? That whole discussion between you and jersey at the top of the page is about as *wink-wink, nudge-nudge* as you can get without flat out saying, "I don't think he did it." If you were just explaining why you think he's not going get in any real trouble even if he did do it, then my apologies; to me it came across as more than that.
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no, not that simple to recognize. within the opinions themselves is rooted a clear bias, here, an absolute assumption born of disgust, that he raped that girl. So what? I think he's a scumbag who's probably crossed the line before.
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I mean, as someone who got ripped apart a few days ago for a couple potentially poorly chosen words in a long post, I think posting something like "Yeah, but we'll definitely remember the time Patrick Kane raped that woman" seems pretty absolute. Of course it is; me saying that actually means absolutely nothing. sulley spouts outrageously absolute hyperbole all the time. Who gives a [expletive]? It's just ridiculous when people who have no problem saying things like that suddenly get all defensive and want everything to be fair and balanced when it's about something they like. Nothing's stopping him about spouting off about how much he thinks Kane is innocent. Well, except for common decency, since Kane totally did it.
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sulley right now: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/5uemlz/chappelle-s-show-celebrity-trial-jury-selection---uncensored
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Basically he's complaining about people not prefacing their opinions with "I think" or "I believe" or "maybe" about Kane because he's a fan. It's a typical cop-out; people start acting like everyday conversations are supposed to be conducted like idealized news reports or courtroom arguments when they don't like the opinion being expressed.
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They've been ahead of them in my heart forever. -
The "Jeffries/Jefferies" thing is just so weird; it's not like there's another player with a similar name out there, and it's not like "Alshon Jeffries" is any more "right" than "Alshon Jeffrey." It's odd the sheer number of people that default to "Alshon Jeffries," and I want to know why, dammit. Was some idiot announcer or radio guy calling him that repeatedly when he first showed up?
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BRING BACK KYLE ORTIZ.
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Most things in life are based on personal opinion. It usually only becomes "bias" when someone doesn't like that opinion. All people are doing are judging him based on his own history and reputation and the information available and rumored. It's just that some of those people are bad and think he didn't do it and he's being set up.
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Yeah, they're a fun team to follow around here. There's a long list of teams I'd wish this collapse on before them.
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I miss Marshall Brandon.
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sulley, there's rarely any kind of smoking gun piece of evidence in a rape case (or most criminal cases, period), so when sports fans suddenly dig in their heels and take this absolutist position that "nothing has been proven" it's pretty obnoxious. We're all just discussing this in the court of public opinion here, and yeah, based on his track record and the accusation it's not a stretch for anyone to think that he did this.
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sulley, don't be That (SVU) Guy.
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If that happened to Kobe today things would have gone VERY differently. You can't keep acting like a the larger context of when these events occurred is the same. There's infinitely more scrutiny on this type of thing, and on the lives of celebrities/sports stars in general. I'll bet you good money that if Kane walks away from with this with anything less than complete exoneration he'll never be on the cover of another video game again (like that even matters when we're talking about something awful).
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People still make fun of Jordan for the gambling crap, for Christ's sake. Congratulations on somehow avoiding it it, but people love to make fun of Kobe, including over the CO [expletive]. This reeks of people who are just desperately trying to convince themselves Kane is going to be able to duck this. This isn't 2003, kids; he's royally fucked. This is a different climate for this sort of thing to go down; there's a lot more scrutiny when it comes to sexual assault accusations and things like domestic abuse. The leagues all still have a long way to go, but we're well past the point where this would just be swept away. Hell, Kane's own previous indiscretions weren't forgotten before this popped up.
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I am; these are things people remember and mock and ridicule and always will. When these guys die a ton of the commentary/discussion is going to be about their scandals; it's going to follow them forever. Plus this is a different environment than those events, and Kobe 12 years ago; there's much more of a push and outcry for these sorts of things to not just be swept under the rug or forgiven.
