Yay, he gives up :!: Because there's nothing to respond to. You rarely answer any direct points and you pull "facts" out of thin air and refuse to budge on them even when shown to be mistaken or wrong. It's like debating with a brick wall. No that's like arguing with brinoch, who suggests that theriot would be caught more often if he attempted more often. And the only thing he uses to suggest his theory is that pitcher's would pay more attention. I've seen Riot run the bases and there are very frequent pick-off attempts and I don't think anyone would argue that. brinoch on the other hand still can't support his argument, so he simply quits. :D The crux of your argument seems to entail what you actually see. You can't see everything. Your argument is severely flawed. I happen to follow the Cubs quite often so the idea that what I see isn't good enough is retorical. Are you implying that I have bad eyesight? No, I'm flat out saying that your eyes can't show you everything pertaining to a player's numbers and abilities short of you seeing every game and every play and having multiple angles and reviewing tools to do so, and even then you're still going to get things wrong.