Sammy Sofa
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No dice; can't fight the power of the beer money bonus. -
... Arguing that the revenues were reduced from $24 million to $14 million is obviously NOT arguing that the expenses matched or exceeded the revenues. If I was arguing that I would be saying the Cardinals made $0 or actually lost money. Did you missed the part where I clearly stated how I was coming at this before? My understanding of the $24 million was incorrect; I was thinking that was their total revenues. I was never arguing that the Cardinals broke even or lost money.
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Well, yeah; even I wasn't arguing that the expenses matched or exceeded the revenues. That's just common sense.
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So this information really isn't available to the public? I thought I was just bad at searching for it.
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So companies and contractors actually cut the team breaks for something like this? Man, my inherently jaded view of capitalism has lead me astray. Why would they do that? I assumed they'd be all cutthroat and be looking to jack things up. I wish I could even pretend to be interested in learning this type of stuff.
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Yes and yes.
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I'm sure they bring in extra security and some extra Roasts, but that's all I can think of. The operating costs for a game like that have got to be in the low-six figures at best. Eh, like I said, I could easily be completely wrong about this kind of stuff. Finances and economics are about as far from my strong suit as you can get. I just always assumed it cost $1 million+ for those big games because it "sounded" right. Really, just get above $50,000 and I have no idea what's going on.
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If you have no idea, then how are you coming up with your figures? Like I said several times, spitballing. I'm just guessing. Spitball for me how many beers you think they sell at a Cardinals game. No idea. Probably 50,000-60,000, I guess? I don't have a clue.
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Why would a playoff game cost significantly more? Because it would be. Extreme example: do you think it costs significantly more to host the Super Bowl than a regular season NFL game? Yes. But a conference championship game probably carries with it similar operating costs to a regular-season game, and I missed the World Series halftime show featuring a popular musical act. Good point about the halftime show; I forgot about that. Like I said, I'm just assuming that the cost for things like maintenance and groundskeeping and security and supplies (hell maybe city costs like fees and [expletive]; I have no idea) goes way up when you're hosting something that "big." Like in that "we need to go out of our way to cover our asses" sort of way. I could easily be wrong; that's just hoe I've always assumed it went down.
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If you have no idea, then how are you coming up with your figures? Like I said several times, spitballing. I'm just guessing.
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Why would a playoff game cost significantly more? Because it would be. Extreme example: do you think it costs significantly more to host the Super Bowl than a regular season NFL game?
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You estimated that the Cardinals' net profit from the playoffs was $14 million. We're operating under the estimate of $24 million for gate revenues, and I posted why $12 million is a good estimate for non-gate revenues. That takes us from $36 to $14. In order to believe that non-gate revenues are cancelled out by operating expenses, you'd have to believe that it a major-league game carries with it a seven-figure operating cost. There's just no way you can justify that. I thought that $24 million was for all revenues. My mistake.
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I'm confused; I wasn't arguing $36 million down to $14 million. I was arguing $24 million down to $14-$15 million. My argument is that I'm guessing that hosting a playoff game would cost around $1-1.5 million. I think that's different (obviously) than what it costs to host a regular season game.
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No idea and no idea.
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No idea. I'm assuming a lot, especially a WS game. I'm spitballing the supply costs, maintenance, groundskeeping, security and God knows what else. I have little doubt a ton of cost goes in to hosting each of these games and making sure they run smoothly.
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Yes, because paying the park employees is the primary cost of hosting a baseball game.
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That doesn't make $24 million the floor. Those revenues ultimately being anything above $1 after all is said and done would technically count as the revenues exceeding the expenses. The costs being, say, $10 million dollars would still mean that they receive around $14 million in revenue, so your floor declaration is meaningless. Do you even bother reading? START with $24M ADJUST from 2008 to 2011 dollars ADD for concessions etc. SUBTRACT for ushers etc. ASSUME concessions > ushers Do the math: how can $24M *not* be the floor??? Please, give us something more than "well I would say it's no more than $14M". Show us your work. Used the same "formula" you just used. I don't think the concessions exceed the overall costs of putting on these games. I think the concessions help offset the cost to keep them profitable, but I don't think they get them back to or over the $24 million mark. $14 million is a shot in the dark, but I highly doubt they're still taking in at least $20 million when all is said and done, and you have have just as much as non-evidence as I do. I can't find concession figures for anyone to help answer this, so we'll just have to have differing opinions.
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Who will be the manager? Quade Fired (pg 15)
Sammy Sofa replied to Magnetic Curses's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I'm sure the argument could be made that this is due in no small part to those types of decisions, but look at the Rays' offense this year and last. They're right around league average when it comes to OPS. They're not a team that can just slug their way to victory. -
Total Hypothetical Here...
Sammy Sofa replied to Tim's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Man, Castro for Felix straight up? That's a tough one. I really don't know. I guess I'd lean towards Castro because of him being younger and cheaper longer. -
That doesn't make $24 million the floor. Those revenues ultimately being anything above $1 after all is said and done would technically count as the revenues exceeding the expenses. The costs being, say, $10 million dollars would still mean that they receive around $14 million in revenue, so your floor declaration is meaningless.
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Man, if we're talking ad revenues, I want the whole outfield fence lined with signs and crap.
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Total Hypothetical Here...
Sammy Sofa replied to Tim's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
The timing comment is more in regards to the Cubs simply not having the right "sexy" prospects to make them any kind of favorites in a deal like this (unless the Mariners are more about quantity over quality or would rather pick up a bunch of really young high ceiling guys) as opposed to the Cubs needing to hang on to what they have. -
I'd think still making $15 million IS balancing out the operating expenses. That too. It was a silly idea to begin with.
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Total Hypothetical Here...
Sammy Sofa replied to Tim's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Eh, you should be able to retain enough future bullpen arms and role players that you wouldn't overly burden the free agent demand. Jackson, McNutt, Vitters, Barney and Cashner still leaves you with internal options to handle 2B/3B in the short-term (Flaherty/Baker/LaMahieu/DeWitt), an OF of Byrd/Soriano/Colvin/Campana and somebody. Plus your catcher depth. Then you would have a actual ace and stud #2 in Garza. Completely overhauling what your rotation looks like. If you were to acquire him and sign Pujols you are looking at a potentially fantastic 2012 season with more money coming off the books to address 2013 needs. Eh, I obviously wouldn't have a problem with the Cubs making that deal, but personally I don't think that gets it done. -
Even subtracting the subtraction of the players' pool from that total likely doesn't leave an impressive total that's going to be a Pujols-swaying signing bonus. Just spitballing the costs of hosting these games and I think it would be optimistic to say that they'd have $14-15 million left to throw at him.
