Andy

And Aldridge is doubtful. We're gonna get crushed.

This is the first thing I thought when this happened. A very Hendryesque signing.

Micah Owings against some dude named Franklin Morales. And yet I bet the Rockies romp again.

I've been thinking about it, and I've decided that 22 is the amount of points you would have to give me before I would consider wagering on Notre Dame aganst USC, and even then only because the Trojans have played such weak football their last three games.

Losing to the 15 team in the nation now is only a "decent loss"? I dont care when IL loss was, the reason Michigan is ranked and Il isnt is because they are Michigan, and Illinois is Illinois. Id think its pretty simple. Who has Michigan beaten? Illinois has beaten the then #5 team Wisconsin, and a top 20 team at the time in Penn State. At the time, Notre Dame's 2005 win over Michigan was a road win over a top 5 team and by the end of the year everyone was trashing it because Michigan lost 5 games. You can't change the criteria for a good win to fit your team. Wisconsin's not very good as they've proven in their ugly wins over The Citadel and Iowa plus their 2 losses, and Penn State isn't either. Although they were ranked higher when Michigan beat them than when you did, so I guess that was an impressive win. If Illinois had won five straight and Michigan had just dropped a game to a team without a league win in over a year, you'd be looking at the reverse situation, there's not a doubt about it. And yes, as Missouri has no win better than a neutral-site win over an unranked team (Nebraska just got steamrolled at home by Oklahoma State and barely squeaked by the BSU Cardinals, so it's safe to say they aren't all that good either), it's 'only' a decent loss. Yeah, Missouri's not all that good even though they were leading going into the fourth at the number 4 ranked team in the country. :roll: Read the sentence again, I was referring to Nebraska. I don't even know why I mention Missouri or Illinois in these threads, it's even more of a flame invitation than being a ND fan. I'll just drop the subject entirely.

Losing to the 15 team in the nation now is only a "decent loss"? I dont care when IL loss was, the reason Michigan is ranked and Il isnt is because they are Michigan, and Illinois is Illinois. Id think its pretty simple. Who has Michigan beaten? Illinois has beaten the then #5 team Wisconsin, and a top 20 team at the time in Penn State. At the time, Notre Dame's 2005 win over Michigan was a road win over a top 5 team and by the end of the year everyone was trashing it because Michigan lost 5 games. You can't change the criteria for a good win to fit your team. Wisconsin's not very good as they've proven in their ugly wins over The Citadel and Iowa plus their 2 losses, and Penn State isn't either. Although they were ranked higher when Michigan beat them than when you did, so I guess that was an impressive win. If Illinois had won five straight and Michigan had just dropped a game to a team without a league win in over a year, you'd be looking at the reverse situation, there's not a doubt about it. And yes, as Missouri has no win better than a neutral-site win over an unranked team (Nebraska just got steamrolled at home by Oklahoma State and barely squeaked by the BSU Cardinals, so it's safe to say they aren't all that good either), it's 'only' a decent loss. You keep talking about Michigan winning 5 straight. Big deal they have beaten. 1 team worth a crap(Purdue) and then 1 decent team(Penn State) and 3 teams that suck(Notre Dame, Eastern Michigan, and Northwestern). They are ranked because they are Michigan plain and simple. I'm speaking through the voters. 5 straight wins will always outweigh 1 straight loss, no matter who it's against, in the polls. Simple fact.

Losing to the 15 team in the nation now is only a "decent loss"? I dont care when IL loss was, the reason Michigan is ranked and Il isnt is because they are Michigan, and Illinois is Illinois. Id think its pretty simple. Who has Michigan beaten? Illinois has beaten the then #5 team Wisconsin, and a top 20 team at the time in Penn State. At the time, Notre Dame's 2005 win over Michigan was a road win over a top 5 team and by the end of the year everyone was trashing it because Michigan lost 5 games. You can't change the criteria for a good win to fit your team. Wisconsin's not very good as they've proven in their ugly wins over The Citadel and Iowa plus their 2 losses, and Penn State isn't either. Although they were ranked higher when Michigan beat them than when you did, so I guess that was an impressive win. If Illinois had won five straight and Michigan had just dropped a game to a team without a league win in over a year, you'd be looking at the reverse situation, there's not a doubt about it. And yes, as Missouri has no win better than a neutral-site win over an unranked team (Nebraska just got steamrolled at home by Oklahoma State and barely squeaked by the BSU Cardinals, so it's safe to say they aren't all that good either), it's 'only' a decent loss.

Illinois has one decent loss (Missouri) and one awful loss (Iowa). Michigan has one decent loss made less decent by how crappy they played (Oregon) and one awful loss made more awful by the fact that the opponent plays in a lower division (App State). Illinois is lower ranked because their last loss was last week and Michigan's last loss was Sept. 9th. That's why. I'd think it's pretty simple.

Michigan's won five straight and Illinois just lost to a team that had no Big Ten wins in a year. And Michigan lost to a D2 school and their resume is nowhere close to being as good as Ilinois It will look much better than Illinois after they beat them this week.

Michigan's won five straight and Illinois just lost to a team that had no Big Ten wins in a year.

Games between ranked teams ----------------------------------- (18) Auburn at (5) LSU (9 pm, ESPN) (14) Florida at (8) Kentucky (3:30 pm, CBS) (22) Texas Tech at (15) Missouri (3:30 pm, ABC) Good Top 25 games ----------------------- Michigan State at (1) Ohio State (3:30 pm, ABC) (2) South Florida at Rutgers (7:30 pm Thursday, ESPN) (15) Kansas at Colorado (5:30 pm, ESPN) (20) Tennessee at Alabama (4:30 pm, CBS) (24) Michigan at Illinois (8 pm, ABC) (25) Kansas State at Oklahoma State (7 pm) Top 25 mismatches ---------------------- (4) Oklahoma at Iowa State (TBA) Vanderbilt at (6) South Carolina (12:30 pm) (7) Oregon at Washington (7:30 pm) Mississippi State at (9) West Virginia (3:30 pm) (10) California at UCLA (3:30 pm, ABC) (13) USC at Notre Dame (3:30 pm, NBC) (19) Texas at Baylor (TBA) (23) Cincinnati at Pittsburgh (12 pm) Other games of interest --------------------------- Northwestern at E. Michigan (7 pm Friday, ESPNU) N. Illinois at Wisconsin (12 pm, Big 10) Penn State at Indiana (12 pm, ESPN) Iowa at Purdue (12 pm, ESPN2) Arkansas at Ole Miss (2 pm) Ball State at W. Michigan (2 pm) Buffalo at Syracuse (4 pm, ESPNU) FL International at UL Monroe (7 pm) Holy Cross at Lehigh (1 pm) Missouri State at S. Illinois (2:30 pm) UC Davis at S. Utah (3 pm) N. Iowa at W. Illinois (7 pm)

The only reason that I wouldn't do that is that if you put OSU behind Oklahoma and LSU now, they wouldn't move ahead of them if everyone won out. Considering they have Michigan State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan left, if OSU wins out they deserve to be in the national title game over a 1 loss LSU or a 1 loss Oklahoma. then jump them ahead if/when they beat a good team Put USF at number 1. They've beaten Auburn on the road and West Virginia. They probably deserve it more so than any of those three unbeatens.

If I've learned anything by now, it's that anyone in the Big Ten other than Minnesota can beat anyone else in the Big Ten other than OSU or Michigan, so you're in good shape.

Just as I made that post, Washington took an early 7-3 lead over ASU.

Down goes Cincy to Louisville. That leaves: Ohio State BC USF Arizona State (if they don't lose to Washington) Hawaii Kansas That's all the I-A unbeatens.

And BC 2, and South Florida 3. South Florida didn't have a team a decade ago and now they're one more upset loss away from the national title game potentially.

And Cal fumbles the kickoff back to OSU, who adds another FG. 31-21, with 6 minutes to go. And Cincy's losing too.

plus usc barely beat arizona. i guess we can definitely say that the pac 10 sucks. At this point, I'm perfectly comfortable saying every team in the country sucks, to be honest.

Oregon State 28, #2 Cal 21. 8:30 left.

Speaking of the MAC, Buffalo and Temple now both have two-game winning streaks, and the Bulls are in the driver's seat to win the MAC East division. I expect the world to open up and locusts to descend from the sky any minute now.

I was at the game (in the end zone below the scoreboard). I thought the looked quite good except for the sloppy turnoverfest in the 2nd quarter. I didn't realize Davis is only a sophomore; it will be interesting to see how good he eventually becomes. I didn't realize Mark O'Connell is now Morry Mannies' broadcast partner. He shared the starting quarterback job (with Dave Wilson) in 1978, when I was a freshman. They were 10-1 that year and undefeated in the conference. The MAC didn't have a bowl tie-in then and their one loss, to Louisiana Tech, probably cost them a bid. They did get some votes for the rankings (which back then was only the top 20). Yeah, I was on the sidelines (as I always am - host the pregame and halftime for the student radio station's coverage), and it was ugly in the 2nd quarter, but WKU didn't score in any other quarter, and it was pretty impressive that BSU was able to dominate the game with no running attack. Now the tough part - a three game road trip to Kalamazoo, Champaign and Bloomington. I'd be happy with one win out of the three. Two would be incredible.

Mizzou leads Oklahoma 24-23 after 3. Boy, I'm glad I don't get FSN. :x

Odds of Kentucky being ranked behind LSU this week?

I just saw BC's schedule in a graphic for the rest of the year - there's no one they shouldn't handle. They might well run the table.