Unless Rose betted on baseball as a player, it shouldn't matter what he did as manager. Don't allow him to work in baseball, or make money from baseball, but don't make light of what he did as a player. Yes he's scum (or so was Ty Cobb among others), but being a scum doesn't make him any less of a great ballplayer. The HOF is already a joke with at least 10 to 15 players (if not more) in the HOF is are not legit HOFers, so keeping Pete Rose and for that matter Shoeless Joe Jackson out of the HOF continues to make the HOF illegitimate and a fraud. How do we know Rose didn't bet on games before he was a manager or player-manager? He lied for years about betting on baseball at all. How do we know he isn't still lying about it?