SpongeWorthy
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65.62 and a 2-8 record is downright putrid in my book. Now you could point out guys like Stafford and Sanchez had lower QB ratings than that and you wouldn't call their play downright putrid so I do believe expectations and the level of responsibility the QB has needs to be considered.
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The average QB rating of 2009 playoff QBs was 97.9. Cutler was 1.3 standard deviations below that for the year and more than 2 full standard deviations below that for that stretch of games. He was closer in QB rating to Jamarcus Russell than he was to Brees, Favre, Rivers, and Rodgers.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. What am I wrong about? Just because Cutler has a lot of talent doesn't mean he didn't play badly last year. He most certainly did for big portions of the season. I don't even see how this is debateable. I believe 77.2 is "average". Only the 2 games that were already pointed out are far enough from average to be considered "downright putrid". In 2009 the average rating of qualified QBs was 83.4. Cutler's was 76.8 for the season and 65.62 for that stretch of games. That's really pretty awful and more than a full standard deviation below league average. You also don't give up a king's ransom for average to bad play. Going into the 2nd Minnesota game the Bears were 5-9 and Cutler had 19 TDs and 25 picks. Then he went 8-1 TD/INTs in the final two games when the only thing to play for was Lovie's job.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. What am I wrong about? Just because Cutler has a lot of talent doesn't mean he didn't play badly last year. He most certainly did for big portions of the season. I don't even see how this is debateable.
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QBs are more important now than they were in the days of Fran Tarkenton.
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79.6, 64.1, 66.7, 98.6, 33.6, 63.2, 71.6, 96.0, 74.9, 7.9 QB ratings and a 2-8 record isn't average football. It's downright putrid. For 3 meaningful games Jay Cutler was a good quarterback. The last two against Minny and Detroit were hopefully a sign of things to come. At least 2 of the games (opener against GB and against SF) were pretty much entirely his fault. He got a lot of blame for the Atlanta game and the 2nd GB game because of moronic red zone INTs. In that stretch there were several blowouts that it wouldn't have mattered how Cutler played. Now obviously every QB screws up and you can't just focus on their bad games but Cutler is lapping the rest of the field when it comes to bad, bad red zone interceptions over the last few years. Now it says something about his talent that with no running game to speak of and a mediocre/hurt defense we managed a 7-9 record.
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Look at the San Francisco and Baltimore games last year and tell me he didn't come close to Grossman-bad.
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Calling him a disappointment and inconsistent is a huge understatement. He had 3 good games in the first 4 (after singlehandedly losing the opener against GB) and then 2 good games at the end when anything meaningful was out of reach. He was pretty consistently awful from weeks 5-15 including big stretches of play that were pretty much as bad as anything Grossman ever did.
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I'm going through the list of pro bowl QBs over the years and the guys that you would consider elite who haven't had a big, winning year by this point in Cutler's career is pretty small. The big majority of them starting winning big in year 2 or 3. That includes guys who were drafted very high onto crappy teams like Manning and McNabb. Anyway, I wouldn't point to 24-29 as to why I would be concerned with Jay. I would point to the fact that he sucked pretty hard last year and that we're going into this year with no big improvements on the line or at receiver.
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Ok, how about it's very unlikely that an elite quarterback would have a bad career W/L record? You're right that no one considers you elite until you start winning lots of games but I don't see how that's necessarily a bad thing. There's one overwhelming reason the Colts have won 12+ games every year.
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Aikman didn't have a good record until he was 27ish, Drew Brees played a while before his record became impressive. The fact is it is very easy for a very good QB to not have a good record. Aikman went 1-15 his rookie season. He had to play on a lot of good teams to make up for that. Brees wasn't elite until he went to New Orleans. Good but inconsistent and they still opted for Rivers when he was in the fold.
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Well it's a bit of a chicken or the egg argument then. Kelly is probably a good example of a guy being held back by mediocre talent because the system he played in was very dependent on great QB play especially compared to the guys he lost to in the Super Bowl.
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We're clearing 50+ wins easy this year.
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I think it's a little bit better than a pitcher's win loss record. It'd be more comparable to the overall win-loss record of your entire starting rotation. Quarterback play isn't quite that important but it's close. It's very, very unlikely that an elite quarterback would ever have a bad W/L record over an extended period of time.
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Dozens of guys, especially veterans, change teams every year expecting that their ceiling is as a bench guy on their new team. I mean if ANY player should expect their ceiling to be a starter then why stop there? Why shouldn't ANY player state that their ceiling is to be the best player in the league?
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If the Bulls want him I bet they won't have to pay more than $1 million to get him. But I don't think they'll want him. I'd rather get Roger Mason Jr. if he's available.
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If things go according to plan Kurt Thomas is more of a bit player and insurance policy. Boozer and Gibson will take all the minutes at the 4 and Noah/Asik will get almost all the minutes at C unless Asik is really bad.
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Well I don't think it's quite happening that way.
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in either case, nothing can be proven yet, so it's all conjecture. i just happen to subscribe to the belief that where there's smoke, there's fire. i think weber started recruiting players at younger ages so that he could compete with a self or calipari who can drive dump trucks full of money up to the recruits' houses at the last minute and get commitments. to me, that's kind of a logical way to combat that. The most logical way to combat that would be to drive an even bigger dump truck full of money to the recruits' houses.
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Because they don't want to get caught and lose their eligibility?
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Players at any big time program aren't anything like regular college players.
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Masoli's way overrated. People tried to put him on that Dennis Dixon level at Oregon...no, no way. Not even close. Until someone figures out how to stop that Oregon offensive scheme consistently any QB there is going to put up numbers.
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Let's get real. The biggest reason Illini fans are convinced they couldn't possibly be skirting rules is because they haven't won squat at anything. The past NCAA stuff is a convenient excuse.
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Theriot missed that by 6 inches.
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Valentine has been eulogizing the Lou era while kissing the Ricketts' ass.