SpongeWorthy

You're right, it only took him 5 years to develop into a below average wing player. I'm just saying, what was the best college team of the past 10 years, UNC 2005? A team of Felton, McCants, May, Marvin Williams and Jawad Williams doesn't compete with the 13-69 Atlanta Hawks in 2005. It's a completely different level of play, and no college team comes close. Naw, I don't think you necessarily look at who the national champions of college were for the team you would want to throw up against an NBA team (using NBA rules). Like I'd take Ewing's Hoyas over the Villanova team they lost to. That's why I pointed to the Fab Five and the 84 UNC team. An all world talent combined with other pro caliber (albeit raw) talent. Off the top of my head I'd probably go with 06-07 Florida or one of those JWill, Boozer, Battier, Dunleavy Duke teams for a team in the last 10 years or so I'd throw up against a bad NBA team if I had to.

And certainly there have been international teams with less individual talent than certain college teams that have taken it to Team USA's full of all stars. Carlos Arroyo looked all world in international play and can't even stick on a team in the NBA. The rules and floor dimensions make an enormous difference.

This I don't necessarily agree with. I honestly think there have been quite a few college teams over the years that could beat this Cleveland team especially when they were without Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. The college 3 point line neuters the one on one game a lot because everyone is so packed in. You put a team like the Fab 5 or a guy like a 21-22 year old Lebron or Durant on a decent college team against a bad NBA team using NBA rules and I think they could take them. Any player in an NBA rotation would star on the best college teams in the country. It would be no contest. Cleveland would win by 30+. A star? Marvin Williams was just a guy on UNC and got drafted #2 overall. You put Rose, King, Jackson, Howard, and Webber up against the 91 TWolves and you've got a game on your hands. When Jabbar was a freshman at UCLA he beat the defending national champion varsity team basically by himself. I don't think it's a stretch to say you put a talent like that on a good college team they could beat a bad NBA team. There have certainly been college teams over the years with more star power than certain drecks of the NBA. Marvin Williams isn't an NBA rotation player. Only the best of the best college players are even above average in their first year in the NBA after college, after an offseason of pure conditioning and training. I don't think you realize the gap between the college and pro games, especially now. Sure, that's a big part of it. But the biggest part of it is that the college game neuters great one on one talents (especially dribble penetrators).

Um, Marvin Williams has averaged 31.2 minutes a game in his 5.5 NBA seasons. Not a rotation player?

Zero doubt in my mind one of those Walton/Jabbar UCLA teams could've owned the bad NBA teams of the early 70s. This isn't football. One transcendent talent makes a huge, huge difference. Only the confines of college basketball stopped Jordan...not the other guys on the floor as evidenced by him being a 19ppg in college to rampaging the league the next season. You put a 21 year old MJ when he was playing with Sam Perkins, Kenny Smith, and Brad Daugherty up against a horrible NBA team of the mid 80s and they'd get waxed by 30? I don't see it.

This I don't necessarily agree with. I honestly think there have been quite a few college teams over the years that could beat this Cleveland team especially when they were without Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. The college 3 point line neuters the one on one game a lot because everyone is so packed in. You put a team like the Fab 5 or a guy like a 21-22 year old Lebron or Durant on a decent college team against a bad NBA team using NBA rules and I think they could take them. Any player in an NBA rotation would star on the best college teams in the country. It would be no contest. Cleveland would win by 30+. A star? Marvin Williams was just a guy on UNC and got drafted #2 overall. You put Rose, King, Jackson, Howard, and Webber up against the 91 TWolves and you've got a game on your hands. When Jabbar was a freshman at UCLA he beat the defending national champion varsity team basically by himself. I don't think it's a stretch to say you put a talent like that on a good college team they could beat a bad NBA team. There have certainly been college teams over the years with more star power than certain drecks of the NBA.

This I don't necessarily agree with. I honestly think there have been quite a few college teams over the years that could beat this Cleveland team especially when they were without Sideshow Bob and Mo Williams. The college 3 point line neuters the one on one game a lot because everyone is so packed in. You put a team like the Fab 5 or a guy like a 21-22 year old Lebron or Durant on a decent college team against a bad NBA team using NBA rules and I think they could take them.

lol the Cavs beat the Knicks again. And the Spurs are just no lubing Miami.

KELSO

lol @ howard

JESUS [expletive] CHRIST BOOZER JUST KICK IT OUT [expletive]

Asik's a monster.

I too would like us to see Rose and CJ on the floor at the same time more (e.g. at all).

Cool we've stopped scoring at all again.

Boozer's pissing me off.

Good half, don't blow it.

dex ragin

dex mad

Beat Miami and all is forgiven

Horford is really good. We should get him.

Yes they do not these games. we suck ass the refs certainly didn't help but you can't make horford look invincible. These are the sorts of games you lose when you have a psychotic defensive obsessed coach. Don't get me wrong Thibs is really good but you can't win ugly all the time. Now Thibs is psychotic? What the hell? It was just one game. In a good way. He doesnt give you a Skiles vibe a bit? Look at the SI article posted earlier...he sure doesnt sound like an easy guy to play for.

Yes they do not these games. we suck ass the refs certainly didn't help but you can't make horford look invincible. These are the sorts of games you lose when you have a psychotic defensive obsessed coach. Don't get me wrong Thibs is really good but you can't win ugly all the time.

The [expletive] happened

First Amare swats him badly and then he clanks the game tying three

yeah, this guy ain't the final piece of the puzzle