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Didier Vargas, who had put himself into the worth paying attention to DSL category, put up the most DSL line I've seen in a while.... 0.2 1 3 0 4 0.

Ok then. I still feel we could use another consistent bat. I'm OK with adding a bat. I doubt we do, but its possible. I don't see us trading off Davis though, under any circumstance.

That's a shock. So, we're saving 173k on Little, probably 100k apiece or so on Carrier and Glowicki, and have the overage of 374k to use on Estrada....Basically, we can offer 950,000-1M on Estrada, assuming the 9-10th round seniors are savings of at least 100k. And Lange and Velázquez come in at slot.

We're not trading Davis. Hell, if you look at our pen after the season is over, we may need to resign him. At any rate, I can't see us sending off ANY solid major league contributor for prospects during the season.

Its hard enough getting a max guy to come to Chicago, if the Bulls are already good. I don't think you're getting them with a 25 win roster. I think its definitely a few years of high picks and hoping to draft a star before you're in the picture of any max guys considering them.

I think you've got to keep Wade for a while anyway. If he's not too pissed anyway, over Jimmy getting dealt. They need some semblance of a vet that can help teach, on some level. Granted, it could be Rondo, but with the PG's on the roster, I think he's gone. I think you try and take back a shitty contract for Rondo actually, adding an asset in the process, for doing it. Maybe Deng or Noah? Getting picks from the Knicks and picks or Randle from LA.... Won't surprise me if Lopez is dealt. But, it may be an in-season deal. PG Dunn(I think he'll start) Grant, Payne(one of them probably gone before season starts, with cheap vet as replacement) SG Wade, LaVine, Valentine SF Mirotic, Zipser, PF Portis, Markkonen C Lopez, Felicio Rondo moved for bad salary and young guy or pick. Payne or Grant moved for a 2nd probably. A couple of vets signed to short term contracts. Mid season buyout of Wade, trade of Lopez.... That's my guess.

Wow, the money here really surprises me. 1) He was ranked top 50ish or so and 2) He's a Boras client. For him to fall to the 5th, with that type of figure is surprising. It'll be very interesting to see Estrada's number.

Well, at least we know Boston wasn't offering much. And not that I like being on their side very often, Haugh and Bernstein are both defending the direction.

We weren't competing for a title within the next two years, under any circumstance. At that point, you'd be paying Jimmy a super max deal and making it even harder to truly compete. I think this path is the one likelier to get us into contention quicker, acknowledging that NEITHER is likily to get the Bulls there within the next 3-4 years. Jimmy's under contract for three more years, not two. And I disagree that the path that leaves us with zero stars is likelier to get us into contention more quickly than the one in which we have one. No, its two. He has a player option. There's no way in hell he'd use that unless he's ridiculously hurt at that point.

That was not the alternative though, and I'm not quite sure why you, and people like David Haugh, are ignoring that fact. Choosing to rebuild is a viable game plan, but having the strategy in place does you no good when the tactics taken to get to your goal are poorly done. If you want a rebuild, you need very good drafter/developer people in charge, and if you are going to sell off valuable assets you need to turn them into valuable future assets. It's kind of insane that they didn't get any future picks when trading a current star. A rebuild doesn't start just because you've sold off your assets for 71 cents on the dollar. It is amazing how much the incredibly unique strategy taken by Theo and the Cubs has blinded so many people to the actual work that has to be done to make it a success. And I'll gladly admit that after last night, we should be sitting on some extra picks. We should have been able to keep the 16. Should have gotten an extra pick from Minny too. And should have kept Bell or traded him for future picks too.

That was not the alternative though, and I'm not quite sure why you, and people like David Haugh, are ignoring that fact. Choosing to rebuild is a viable game plan, but having the strategy in place does you no good when the tactics taken to get to your goal are poorly done. If you want a rebuild, you need very good drafter/developer people in charge, and if you are going to sell off valuable assets you need to turn them into valuable future assets. It's kind of insane that they didn't get any future picks when trading a current star. A rebuild doesn't start just because you've sold off your assets for 71 cents on the dollar. It is amazing how much the incredibly unique strategy taken by Theo and the Cubs has blinded so many people to the actual work that has to be done to make it a success. I agree we've got the wrong guys here to implement this. They're awful. But, what WAS the alternative? Watching these same idiots try to build WITH Jimmy and setting us back even further? If they're not capable of executing one strategy, what makes them capable of the other? We weren't competing for a title within the next two years, under any circumstance. At that point, you'd be paying Jimmy a super max deal and making it even harder to truly compete. I think this path is the one likelier to get us into contention quicker, acknowledging that NEITHER is likily to get the Bulls there within the next 3-4 years. One involves getting lucky with drafting, the other was counting on a guy in his 30's holding up well and eventually recruiting guys here, when he's taking up 30-35% of the cap.

I've just been dead set on getting the rebuild started. It truly doesn't bother me that the alternative to what happened, was watching another .500ish team slug thru another season. I'd love to know what other packages were on the table. I'm sure they'd have pissed me off. But, I hate GarPax so much, they've lowered the bar for me, to the point I'd accept anything. Selling the 38th pick for cash was absolutely stupid and cheap and shows they're not even truly committed to rebuilding though. Can't believe they needed to include 16 in the trade either. If they don't take on a bad contract or two and add another asset or two in the process, I'll get more pissed. If you're going to do this, just do it. But, they'll half ass it, based on what they did last night.

How bad are we currently? Over/Under 25 wins? Figure we'll bring back Mirotic. And I guess we'll use Rondo to bring in a bad contract guy, with something attached.

Unfortunately, they answered that indirectly, when they said Reinsdorf was with them every step of the way. I think their real answer was the wings they wanted were gone. Which is stupid, since they conceivably should know that trading Bell for another pick(s) is more helpful than pocketing cash, for a rebuild.

Selling the pick shows they aren't even committed to rebuilding. I'm guessing we'll hear some sort of comment from them. But that's just horsefeathering pitiful. My guess is they'll add some guys and wind up retooling. Now that'd piss me off, because we downgraded from Jimmy. I honestly thought by trading him, that meant they're committed to rebuilding. Selling off a guy who probably was a top 25ish talent shows they aren't.

Come on, the package isn't great. But, its not a flaming pile of garbage. If it PROVES to be, then fine. But, its not right now. There's possibilities with them. And as much as I hate Rose, he won a horsefeathering MVP. Jimmy is NOT the best Bull since Mike and Scottie. The one thing I honestly don't get is standing pat with being .500. I'd much prefer trying to be great than being average. This gets us on an actual path. Probably won't work with these guys running the show, but its better than running the risk of getting even less for him later. Rose's two year peak during which he won an MVP that he almost definitely didn't deserve was nice and all, but I'll take the bigger, stronger, more complete, more durable Butler who's hung around the top of the league for like 5 years now. They're both 3 time All Stars. Rose has an MVP. This is kind of a silly thing to argue, so I'll stop here on it. But, I'd say Rose is the best Bull since the 90's, whether he deserved the MVP or not.

They'll probably go out and add horsefeathers in FA that puts us in the 10-15 range next year. Selling Bell is so horsefeathering dumb.

For the defending Champs There's our lost Playoff revenue for 2018, thank goodness. JFC LOL

This I'll actually debate, without conceding I'm auto-wrong lol. We very well MAY have overvalued Jimmy. Again, my honest guess is we chose the wrong deal to accept. But, at mid season, or after the season, I honestly doubt we'd have received THIS much. And I'm OK with moving him now, instead of another middling, at best year. Jimmy is a top 10-15 player in the league, one of the 5 or so best players to ever put on a Bulls uniform, and the best Bull since MJ and Pippen. Our sorry ass front office, who you admit is terrible and needs to go, just traded him for a pile of flaming garbage, and your like "cool guess we overvalued him. But what a breath of fresh air this is." This is so bizarre I can barely handle it. Come on, the package isn't great. But, its not a flaming pile of garbage. If it PROVES to be, then fine. But, its not right now. There's possibilities with them. And as much as I hate Rose, he won a horsefeathering MVP. Jimmy is NOT the best Bull since Mike and Scottie. The one thing I honestly don't get is standing pat with being .500. I'd much prefer trying to be great than being average. This gets us on an actual path. Probably won't work with these guys running the show, but its better than running the risk of getting even less for him later.

Getting Jordan Bell in the 2nd is very solid.

I'm hopeful they don't have that type of leash. If LaVine and Dunn don't work out, I'd say they're in trouble.

https://twitter.com/Dennis4Smith/status/265665266032189440

This I'll actually debate, without conceding I'm auto-wrong lol. We very well MAY have overvalued Jimmy. Again, my honest guess is we chose the wrong deal to accept. But, at mid season, or after the season, I honestly doubt we'd have received THIS much. And I'm OK with moving him now, instead of another middling, at best year.

taking the path to blow it up and start fresh is all well and good, but you still must maximize your returns when you're dumping and most importantly must have good decision makers treading that path. I can't argue that obviously. But, when your team is run by morons, I think this is better than if they waited. And while I want them gone, I don't think they will be. I'd love to see what the other offers were. I'd probably be mad, if I saw them. I'm so fed up with the org, that I've decided throwing poo on the wall and seeing if something sticks is better than holding tight. Again, I'm on this island by myself, so I know what that means lol.

Look, let me say it like this.....Because I'm VERY well aware that being that one guy going against an entire group of well informed guys who's opinions I respect, is almost always a dumb move..... I hate GarPax. There's not a post on this or any other board where I say anything remotely positive about them. To me, I'll take THIS result over standing pat and getting less later. Probably adding a player that'd be hard to move in the future. In my mind, its taking the right path, even if the result wasn't truly what I was hoping for, as the return. In the end, its just getting a slight jump on what was inevitable. Are these idiots going to truly capitalize off this? Almost assuredly not. But, that's why I mentioned hoping they'll get fired by this time next year. Again, I'm so low on them and the org, I'll admit that I'd basically have been OK with just about any movement towards rebuilding. Because I'm never one to want to stay in the middle.