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I think from a job security standpoint, Pace is better served putting off QB another year.

I really just feel like the Bears are trying to copy the Cubs. Pace has been so deliberate with his rebuild that he has to have some reassurance from ownership that it's fine to take his time. The McCaskeys aren't really risking a financial hit by not being good. Their profits are essentially guaranteed with the league shared television revenue. The season tickets are sold and they don't have any reliance on walk up sales or ratings. The McCaskeys see that the Ricketts took a minimal PR hit as the team stumbled for years while rebuilding. They view themselves in the same mold as the Tisch/Mara/Rooney blue blood ownership of the Giants and Steelers and the thing that ties them together (besides mating) is longterm stability in the front office and head coach. With that they also want to be the opposite of the "new money" types like Haslam and Snyder who they probably view as making a mockery of storied franchises with their constant turmoil. They probably think Pace is their Theo and will give him as long as possible before moving on and will probably give him every opportunity to either win with Fox, or select his new head coach like Theo got to take a run at Madden after the Sveum/Renteria years. If year 3 is a 5-11 year, obviously Pace is doing a horrible job, consider the vast differences between MLB talent procurement and timing and the NFL's draft and play right away situation. But my guess is nobody in the McCaskey family cares. Pace isn't Theo(no one is) and this wasn't necessary to do. But now that it IS being done, I THINK I want to see it thru. If 5-11 happens, my mind probably changes. I don't hate Pace yet. But, I'm far from convinced he's got answers either. Which is an indictment, I suppose. Because we SHOULD be seeing more than what we've gotten to this point. This draft is insanely important. And if its not a home run, my fear is Pace overcompensates next year in FA and sets us back to square one for the next guy.

I mean, it doesn't guarantee that the Bears don't draft a QB in the first 2 rounds but it certainly seems less likely We may not take one anyway. But, it won't have anything to do with signing Sanchez. He may not even make the roster.

We are in a really weird spot, with Pace and Fox. I'm starting to think they're truly tied together. Both signed 4 year deals. So, what happens if we go 5-11? Does Pace get to hire another coach? Or is he stuck with Fox? Because, if we keep Fox in place, it allows for both to be fired simultaneously. I'm bringing it up because if we DO go 5-11 and fire Fox.....It puts a new head coaching hire on Pace, who'd be entering the last year of his deal. And if he doesn't show serious progress himself by year 4, he's likely gone too. And then you've got another coaching change on the horizon, so the new GM can get his guy. So, do you extend Pace, even in a 5-11 year and let him hire a second coach? If you do, then that guy gets his own QB too most likely. I think a lot of this will play itself out, with how we address QB in the draft, personally. 1) In order to placate Fox(and attempt to win), I doubt our 1st is a QB. If it is, I honestly don't know if that means Pace is safe or in trouble. Hell, if I'm him and trying to save my job, I'd probably hold off on the 1st round QB, because its a known entity long before his contract is up. 2) But, if our 2nd or 3rd is a QB.....I'd say Pace is on the hotseat and needs to show that Glennon OR that 2/3rd round guy IS the QB of the future, to help preserve his own job. 3) If the QB drafted is a Dobbs, Rush, Kelly, Knight type, then my guess is Pace knows Fox is gone after 2017 and is safe himself, with his new hire getting to use a top pick on a QB.

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Yeah, I think there's still a great chance Cleveland doesn't make this pick. Really tough to pass on Lattimore at this point. But, a QB seems like what this pick gets used on SOMEHOW. Whether its Garoppolo, one of the big 4 at 12 or with a trade back-thats the question. What sucks even more is they seem to only be connected to the two QB's already gone.

[tweet] [/tweet] I was just pulling for Javy, until I saw that idiocy.

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/844400901037182976 Please let San Fran take a QB, so the Jets trade up to 3.

Javy is going to have his "Uh oh, Happy learned to putt" moment and become absolutely elite sometime this season. And every team in baseball is going to throw the damn towel.

Jake telling Ross he has huge balls on Primetime Network TV, easily the highlight.

Yes, Williams probably a better compliment to Sammy Watkins, I guess. Plus, Davis has yet to even run. Missed combine and pro day. Some starting to think his ankle surgery could drop him down boards.

Bengals select LB Reuben Foster

You have to give him credit. You go a few months thinking its not possible he can get any lamer. Then he tops himself. The man is just a giant pile of pure suck.

Something like this is always a possibility, but I think we'd find teams willing to give us more of a Campania type package for him.

I'm bored and trying to find a way for the Bears to trade down from 3. The first thing is to try and figure what's the furthest they'd trade down to.....Not an easy thing to decide, but I'll say 13. Because Arizona could be looking for a QB and its at least conceivable they'd try and grab the guy that's first on their board. Why would they move to 3 though? Because its possible we'd move down for slightly less than full value and MAYBE they'd even be scared the Jags take a QB at 4..... 4) Jacksonville- biggest needs, QB, RB, OT, Edge, TE They're not trading up a spot. I feel relatively comfortable saying that. But a team thinking they're taking a QB, Fournette, Thomas, or Allen could be persuaded to jump them. There's a relatively good chance that 1 of those 3 guys or a QB is who San Fran takes at 2 obviously. Which certainly affects who may trade up. 5) Tennessee- biggest needs, WR, CB, S I don't see why they'd need to vault Jax. In fact, they kind of look like a decent bet to trade back themselves. Unless they want Adams or Hooker at 5, which is a possibility. 6) New York Jets- biggest needs, QB, OT, Edge, CB, S The Jets are dumb. Maybe they move up to get the QB they want? Or Thomas. But they have so many needs, it doesn't make sense for them. Still, I'd say there's a chance, because Jets.... What it'd take- They're 2nd rounder is 39th. Its close to value and my guess is we'd drop 3 spots for pick 39. 7- Los Angeles Chargers- biggest needs, OT, OG, CB, QB, ILB Just moved to LA....Create a splash with a QB? Within the realm of possibility. But, they do have more pressing needs. It'd be fun if both them and the Jets wanted to move up to get "their" guy though.... What it'd take- Their 2nd is 38th. I'd say that's possibly enough. It'd still leave us with one of Thomas, Allen, Adams, Hooker, or Lattimore on the board. Of which, I'd be happy enough with any of that group. 8) Carolina- biggest needs, RB, CB, OT, WR I could see this as a true possibility. Fournette seems to me who Jacksonville looks to be taking. There's solid backs in this draft, but he's a level ahead of them. Still, this would take us out of definitely getting one of the 5 guys I mentioned earlier.....So, my guess is the price is higher to drop this far.... What it'd take- Pick 40 AND 64 would be great. But, its a bit much. Maybe we could throw them back pick 111? Or get pick 40 and their 3rd next year? Its not their MO to trade up, but they certainly see themselves as contending, so maybe they think Fournette puts them over the top.... 9) Cincinnati- biggest needs, DE, S, WR, OT They've got lots of needs. They could use Thomas, but they're better off staying put. Or maybe even moving back a bit themselves. A team could try and jump Buffalo for a QB. Cincy could move back and take a WR or OT. 10) Buffalo- biggest needs, QB, WR, OT, CB, ILB, S They kept Taylor. But QB could still be the direction they take. Foster or Williams looks like their best fit for me. Maybe even Bolles. At any rate, they've got too many holes and no real reason to try and move up. 11) New Orleans- biggest needs, CB, LB, DE, QB, TE, OG They're set up well to trade up. Pick 32(or 11 possibly) looks to be on the move to the Pats for Butler. They're expected to draft defense as it is. A guy like Burnett fits them well in the range they're in. For that matter, Howard could be a great fit too. I wish they had reason to move up. I just don't see it though. 12) Cleveland- biggest needs, QB, RB, Edge, CB, S, OT, WR If they trade this pick for Garoppolo, I won't be surprised. I know they have an insane amount of picks, so I guess its possible they love one of these QB's? Personally, my guess is they'll move back a bit and get one, accumulating even more picks. But, I'll include them, on the off chance they can't live without the top QB on their board and San Fran takes Thomas, Allen, or the QB that's not their top choice..... What it'd take- pick 12, pick 33, and pick 52 is almost a match. Pick 12, 33, and a 2nd and 3rd next year works too. The question then becomes what we'd look at, at 12.....Howard, a CB, a WR, a QB that falls there? Maybe even an OT.....There'd be options for us and it'd give us some excellent collateral to spend later on as well.... 13) Arizona- biggest needs, QB, CB, DE, WR, OG Palmer is on his last legs obviously. They can stay put and get one of the top 4 guys. So again, they'd have to love one of this group. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.... What it'd take- pick 13, pick 45, and pick 77 doesn't get us close enough. They'd probably need to part with pick 13, their 1st next year, and pick 77. Or 13, 45, 77, and their 2nd next year. Again, it'd put us looking at the same things I mentioned at 12. Which I'd be fine with, with the added collateral. So, I'm thru with this horsefeathers. Looks to me like the Panthers at 8 are our BEST shot. And that goes away if they sign AP or Charles most likely. The Jets don't seem likely to me. Neither does Cleveland. The Chargers do though. I'd say that's our second best bet. 7 or 8. And I'd be OK surfing further down, into the 10-15 range, accumulating more ammo, if we can execute a trade down from 3. Again, I'm just sick of looking at all of Cleveland's picks. We're rebuilding, whether its a true necessity or not, based on how we've handled FA. Might as well go all-in, instead of half-assing it.

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Dude, you make fun of yourself in the game threads, knowing you say irrational stuff. Its expected. The shock of you not doing that is no different than Andreoli taking Szczur's spot, in my mind. Actually I think its pretty likely Andreoli takes Szczur's spot. I don't think its going to be hard to keep Szczur hidden, if we have to. And even though Andreoli did hit in the WBC, he's likely just a AAAA guy. He's not on the 40 man for a reason most likely. Even as a 25th guy, I doubt our FO wants to risk a downgrade. OTOH, I guess its possible a team "could" look at Andreoli as a modest trade option and values his non rostering and the extra control. If anything, maybe he's the one they move, IMO.(not much of a return obviously)

If I look at things, assuming health.....The young guys conceivably are all still improving. KB? Not sure he can get better, but he's still at an age where its possible. Schwarber for a full season is a vast improvement over what we were running out in LF. Contreras is better than Miggy/Ross. Hell, Miggy ought to be better than last year. Russell and Javy should both improve. Maybe even break out. Heyward can't be worse and likely rebounds somewhat. Rizzo should stay the same. Zobrist may take a step back, but his skill set should sustain. Almora and Jay aren't going to replicate Dex, but that's probably the only spot that's really a downgrade. So, to me, the offense IS going to be better than last year. Maybe even substantially. For that matter, I think the pen is improved too. The rotation surely takes a step back, but I kind of suspect Jake will dominate in his contract year too. So, even if Lackey, Hendricks, and Lester regress a bit, I doubt it makes much of a difference. Especially since I suspect Monty/Anderson to perform as well or better than Hammel did. The division isn't good. We're better than last year. I think its definitely possible we have a better record than last year, as hard as it may appear to do.

About the same as you staying rational in the game threads. Well, thanks for taking the high road. Dude, you make fun of yourself in the game threads, knowing you say irrational stuff. Its expected. The shock of you not doing that is no different than Andreoli taking Szczur's spot, in my mind.

About the same as you staying rational in the game threads.