ConstableRabbit

The Gold Glove voting is becoming more of a joke everyday. You got that right! In 04' both Schneider & Patterson were far better defensively than Matheny & Edmonds. This award has 0 credibility. Offense stats shouldn't matter when it comes to this award, but it does & that is ridiculous. See: Alex S. Gonzalez See: Alex S. Gonzalez's crummy range. I was trying to make the point that Gonzo was more deserving than Renteria in '03 but missed out in part due to offensive numbers. Renteria was essentially average when compared to the other shortstops in the field. Gonzo not only tied for 2nd the majors in fielding pct. but had above average range, converting 22 more batted balls than the average SS. Renteria, on the other hand, converted 2 more batted balls.

The Gold Glove voting is becoming more of a joke everyday. You got that right! In 04' both Schneider & Patterson were far better defensively than Matheny & Edmonds. This award has 0 credibility. Offense stats shouldn't matter when it comes to this award, but it does & that is ridiculous. See: Alex S. Gonzalez

The grandslam gets my vote for sure. I wasn't assaulted by Morgan as much as I was assaulted by Jon Miller's "NEIFI PAIR-EZ!" But seriously, I jumped up when he hit it, turned on the radio, and heard, "NEIFI WITH A GRANNY". Good times.

Well, at least he ended it in a good way... protecting a 7 run lead :roll:

So you're in a fight. And you keep getting punched in the face. Over and over again. You realize their punches don't hurt that much so you continue to ignore them. Well recently this guy's acquired brass knuckles. So now his punches actually have something behind them. Do you continue to take the punches, or knee him in the balls? How are you going about kneeing him in the balls? You aren't really doing anything to him, its more like he grows breasts due to steroid use. :lol: :lol: :lol: that made my day

I dont know if this has been addressed in another post, but what about Fox?

Excellent point. Even if the Cubs sign Furcal to a 3 or 4 year deal, Walker at 2B is only signed for one more year. Cedeno is young enough to use as a sub for a year and then take over for Walker in 2007. On the other hand, if the Cubs signed Furcal and then made a deal for Castillo I could see trading Cedeno. As it is right now, I'd have to be getting something of very high value to trade Cedeno. He isn't "untouchable", but he isn't someone I'd shop either. I agree. There has definately been discussion about using Ronnie as a Freel-type "super sub". I don't see him being successful as an everyday starter, but theres no question that he could be great as a versitle sub.

Agreed. I wish Dusty could get even a little fired up and take it to the team sometimes. Edited to also agree w/Indiff's last post :wink: A Dusty outburst would be tremendous. Maybe he doesn't care enough to get mad? he's embarassed because last time he had a public tantrum it resulted in one of the funniest fark photoshop threads ever. post plz I think this is the one he was talking about. http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=919494&mode=voteresults

I didn't notice

Awesome poem. Something tells me those nazi girls are the product of parents desperate for attention.

Of course he was, the amount of sour grapes about the White Sox on this board is really dragging it down. The Sox are in the series, deal with it! Stop making a million posts trying to drag them down! Amen there. Yeah.. really.. relax. That being said... I think his bat mightve been corked.

IT'S NOT???!!! Are you sure??!! :shock: Chicago White Stockings, 1876 NL champs!

Couldn't agree more..He would put a winner on the field... Doesn't Cuban employ a bunch of "stat-geeks" to operate the Mavericks and help make personnel decisions? I could see the Cubs becoming the ultimate "moneyball" team, payroll and all. =P~ Hahahaha I think Laz Diaz and Angel Hernandez would really dread coming to Wrigley

I mean, i guess we could take him off their hands...

...the easy way to throw a series... IN YOUR FAVOR

Clearly the ball hit Dye's bat. Will the Sox get any calls against them this postseason?

this always bothered me about the "alternative" movement of music in the '90's, the idea of "selling out" if you dont do what you did the album before, you "sold out" Danny Elfman had it right in 1979. "There's Nothing Wrong With Capatalism" Also had it right with the "Batman" soundtrack. Man that was sweet! He is also responsible for "The Corpse Bride" music...... FYI Elfman basically writes all of Burton's soundtracks, including batman, beetlejuice, edward scissorhands, pee-wee's great adventure, etc and I believe the theme from the Simpsons is Eflman. And yeah, Phair should be deported for that performance... awful.

And what about all of the boos that rained down on the Astros after the last out? Nono, they weren't booing. They were saying "HOUUUUUU-ston"

I saw that too. So irritating, as if we blame all of our problems on a goat. However, especially irritating was the comment about Stl fans cheering on the Astros. Anyone think that they might be cheering for their own team? their stadium? their season? Morons.

I just read an interesting article about this by Todd Jones, the Marlin reliever, writing for next week's The Sporting News. He was basically saying what we've been saying about Lee... that with a better team, he's a Triple Crown champ and the MVP, but because his supporting cast isn't that great, he's dominating in the category he has the most control over (albeit not total control), average, and close, but not dominant in more team-associated categories such as RBI and according to Jones, HR due to a lack of protection. It was shocking to see a major media publication note that Pujols and Jones have had more RBI opportunities.

Harang is a better pitcher. He literally pitches the ball better. That's not the issue at hand. You're a major league manager, your season has just ended. Would you rather have: The Cy Young winner (he clearly deserved the award because he had the best era, whip, etc stats he can control, but only 10 wins, out of his control. he had no run support) and just miss the playoffs or A pitcher with an ERA over 4.00 with 15 wins and make the playoffs In the end, who was more important to your team?

Can I assume, then, that given a vote, you would choose Carpenter to win the CY over Clemens because Clemens just "can't win" this year?

Why do you think certain pitchers get more run support than others on the same team? As long as my team scores more than the other team, I'm happy... Yeah, it's too bad now that Clemens is old he sucks at getting his team to score lots of runs. that's what your argument boils down to, and it's just absurd. I can't believe anyone would want to argue your side of things edit: I can't believe anyone other than joe morgan would want to argue your side of things I think you're looking at my argument the wrong way. Joe Morgan thinks that the pitcher with the most wins should be the Cy Young winner because he is the best pitcher. I think the Cy Young should go to the pitcher who has done everything in his power to win games, meaning era, whip, baa, etc. because that is the individual who has literally "pitched" the best. (Clemens has pitched the best this season). That being said, a pitcher who cannot win is not as valuable to his team in a particular contained season than one who can, regardless of other stats. I guess I don't have any other way of phrasing this... I've said it several times. Perhaps "valuable" isnt the correct word to be using, because people tend to associate value with achievement. Trust me, happening to get more run support than a teammate doesn't make your personal accomplishments any greater, but for certain players, it does occur. It's almost certainly luck, but it happens, and the bottom line is, the team wins more often when the guys with the greatest differential between runs scored and runs allowed are pitching. If I had to take my pick for one season, I would take a mediocre pitcher who was incredibly lucky over an excellent pitcher who was unlucky if 10 more wins for my team was the bottom line. That being said... when trying to build a team, do you look for a pitcher like, say, Russ Ortiz, to anchor your rotation because he won 20+ with a higher era? No. You have no idea how the offense will support him the next year. Maybe he had a lucky season. Maybe the team felt more confident when he was pitching.. you just don't know and for that reason you need to look for guys who allow the least runs per game. I'm just trying to say that when the season is said and done, and you're looking back on it (as we are with Maddux), can you honestly say (as a team) you were better off with a pitcher who has a low era and less wins, or one with a higher era and almost double the wins? So please don't lump Joe and I together. Other than a taste for Ron of Japan and fine silk suits, we don't have much in common. With that note, I think I'm going to stop trying to get this point across. I don't know if it is a lack of eloquence or what, but I continue to get misinterpreted (e.g. 'Yeah, like way to credit a picher for getting run support') and it's not worth it for me to continue to try rewording my original post. I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. :D

There has definately been some talk of that on the boards, but I dont know of any serious discussion among baseball's brass or "the old school".

I'm happy, too, but it's by no virtue of the pitcher that the offense scored runs. Oh, I wasn't crediting the pitcher for that. I was just saying that because for whatever reason the team wins more when he pitches, he becomes more valuable to the team. I'm not trying to equate "most valuable to the team" with "best pitcher on the team", or "best pitching performance".