Ok CubbieRich, wins can be used to evaluate a pitcher. However, they don't tell you how good he actually pitches, hurls, throws the ball. If there are two pitchers on your team, one with a high era and more wins, the other with a low era and less wins, clearly the pitcher with the high era, was more valuable to your team during that year because when he pitched, for whatever reason, the team won. I think that was the point you were trying to convey. However, a flaw in this argument is that the reason why he won more could be anything, including luck. The argument against wins is that it seems to ignore the fact that during the course of that season, the pitcher with the low era was a better pitcher. Had he been given the same run support, luck, etc. he would've won more games plain and simple. Do you mean to say that given two free agent pitchers, you would pay more for a guy like Russ Ortiz in 2003, who had an era approaching 4 despite having 21 wins, than you would for a guy like Clemens in 2005, who had an era under 2 and "only" 13 wins?