ConstableRabbit

He's got three pitches. Fastball, Curve, and Change. But only one of those pitches are above average and that's his Curve. He's got Lefty Specialist written all over him, but you never know... I wouldn't call his changeup "developed." Or maybe it is and its just awful. I thought I read somewhere that he's been using the Change since he got sent down earlier in the year. Maybe not? Hopefully. I honestly am not qualified to comment on the progress or development of minor leaguers. I was kind of being facetious. I actually like Hill a lot.

Maybe it's because they were (and possibly are still) friends.

He's got three pitches. Fastball, Curve, and Change. But only one of those pitches are above average and that's his Curve. He's got Lefty Specialist written all over him, but you never know... I wouldn't call his changeup "developed." Or maybe it is and its just awful.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that until Hill develops a third pitch, he's not going to do anything as a starter in the majors. Prove me wrong, Rich, prove me wrong! please

I thought it was pretty stupid, to be honest -- NU had a showing. You start the track and an arbitrary moment (the 3rd roar of the MGM lion) and then you are actively looking for it to match up, which makes it easier to believe, imo. edit, but it's still a great album

You're the loser who ranked CCR way too low. :lol: :lol: And FYI, I voted for CCR and Floyd. But maybe I shouldve just voted for GNR to crush your petty dreams. :P

It was actually very nice. I knew it looked nice on TV, but I was thinking that a 40 year old stadium would be a little more junkie. The only problem I had with it was its location. It took me 2 hours to get there -- I honestly don't know how people in LA can just drive everywhere! The fans were great, but there were about 10,000 empty seats. It was a division game (Padres) and both are in the race, but I think that might be because it's just such a pain to drive out to the game on a Monday night. Also, the OBPs of the Dodgers just made me jealous. They simply have guys who can get on base. I mean, who are these guys? They were just unbelieveable. Ethier hit 2 homers! Also, it really, really made me miss Nomar. Edit, raisin is right, it's like 44 years old. :oops: I can't do math

It was probably his annoying voice and tooth gap. "There's no cryin in baseball!" Hahaha I loved that commercial.

:shock: Even RATM would have voted for Queen in that poll. No..................No! I'm don't much care for Queen at all. RATM was an awesome band, great live show. Corporate lies, capitalist ties, the next thing you know, it's red white and DIE! -my made up rage lyric

Def Leppard is a garbage hair band famous for a stupid, stupid song. The only reason they're in this is because of the era in which they played.

Christ, do we have to have this joke in every single thread? Honestly, it's not like it's Derwood only or anything, but those cliche sarcasm responses do get really, really old. "Catch the ball," "Clog the bases," "That dude saved us" etc.

Yep, you're right. I'm sure Sosa's downfall had absolutely nothing to do with his getting drilled in the head in 2003 when his helmet shattered. You remember the incident? It was the one that caused Sosa to move further away from the plate so he couldn't even dream of hitting an outside pitch. That is what killed Sammy. Say what you want about the steroids and throw out all the accusations you want. But you can't completely ignore Sammy's getting beaned. Sure, the steroids probably had some effect on his downfall, but I believe that the beaning ultimately had more of an affect and really sped up the process. EDIT: I have no desire to see Sosa play again and tarnish his legacy even further. Please stay retired Sammy. My wife and I talk about this all the time. We are of the same opinion. Sammy was not the same after getting hit in the head. And he knew it. Hence the corked bat. I think it was too much mentally for him to deal with. I agree with your post 100%. I actually just had this discussion with my dad. That ball easily could have killed him (or really, really messed him up). Instead, it just severely hindered his career.

Cork doesn't help you hit the ball any farther and may actually be a hindrance to home run hitters. It's effect is entirely psychological. Ron was outstanding, but Sammy was better. I'm not arguing whether or not the stuff works...we all know it has an extremely negative connotation in MLB, and is pretty much one of the worst things you can do on the field. If it doesn't actually help, it just makes Sammy look even stupider for getting caught with it. I'm a young guy, Sammy is responsible for some of the greatest moments I've seen as a Cubs fan and probably will ever see...but the overall package of "Sammy Sosa, ballplayer" weighs him down below guys like Santo. What about the intense humanitarian work he did following the hurricane in the Caribbean (I think it might have been "Mitch)? He was recognized by the president at the State of the Union address. That's pretty impressive off-the-field behavior. He did one thing wrong and it was overhyped in order to run him out of town. I didn't begrudge his off the field behavior and actions, nor did I applaud his being run out of town. I simply am not impressed with the corking, the ego, the early departure and the stink about the batting rotation. Add onto that the excellent stat analysis provided by others here and I think that Santo ultimately belongs in the top 5 more than Sammy. Yes, I fully realize that a lot of the negative stuff was blown out of proportion...but they all happened, and it tarnishes him, in my opinion, as a player. Like I said, I think he is one of the top 10 greatest Cubs of all time...just not in the top 5. I didn't say you did, but if he had some on the field problems, but has done some great work off of the field, can't those cancel to an extent? I mean, everyone's talking about how nice of a guy Santo is off the field. All I was saying is that Sammy has done a LOT of stuff too.

They are both loud, obnoxious, and overrated, but AC/DC sucks less.

It's summer, and the bleachers are hands-down one of the best places in the city to meet pretty drunk girls. Plus, I like yelling Jamesian slogans and the like. If people hear my loud and annoying criticisms, maybe they'll ask me what "VORP" is, maybe I'll be able to teach them a little bit about sabrmetrics. You know, kind of like Paul.

Beat me to it. At least Hill would get some starts that way.

Cream, as I believe Tim noted is the original supergroup. However, Nirvana are my boys.

This is another tough one, but I really, really love CCR. Their hits are just so powerful. Foggerty's vocals in "Long as I Can See the Light" are simply unbelieveable.

Cork doesn't help you hit the ball any farther and may actually be a hindrance to home run hitters. It's effect is entirely psychological. Ron was outstanding, but Sammy was better. I'm not arguing whether or not the stuff works...we all know it has an extremely negative connotation in MLB, and is pretty much one of the worst things you can do on the field. If it doesn't actually help, it just makes Sammy look even stupider for getting caught with it. I'm a young guy, Sammy is responsible for some of the greatest moments I've seen as a Cubs fan and probably will ever see...but the overall package of "Sammy Sosa, ballplayer" weighs him down below guys like Santo. What about the intense humanitarian work he did following the hurricane in the Caribbean (I think it might have been "Mitch)? He was recognized by the president at the State of the Union address. That's pretty impressive off-the-field behavior. He did one thing wrong and it was overhyped in order to run him out of town.

I think you're asking this question to the wrong group. There probably aren't a lot of Cub fans who believe Santo does not belong in the HOF, excluding everything he has done since he retired. Right, but can everyone be THAT wrong? You're asking this about the Baseball Writers of America, right? Remember, these guys inducted Bill Mazeroski into the Hall basically for one swing of his bat. (career OPS: .666) True. Oh, and now that my error has been quoted 5924893215 times -- yes, I know that Santo wasn't a shortstop. I have no idea WHY I wrote shortstop, when i put 3B in another place and yes, I apologize for the love of the Cubs! :D

I think you're asking this question to the wrong group. There probably aren't a lot of Cub fans who believe Santo does not belong in the HOF, excluding everything he has done since he retired. Right, but can everyone be THAT wrong?

Yeah, but people aren't going to their shows to hear new crap they just wrote. If people pay to see Lynyrd Skynyrd and they don't hear "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Freebird," there's bound to be a riot. The same can be said of the Rolling Stones. It doesnt mean that they're not a great band.

I wanna see him play. I miss Sosa immensly.

Bill James has Santo as the 6th greatest third baseman of all time. Sosa's ranking at RF is 19th greatest of all time right fielders through 2003, and it's pretty clear that what he did in 2004-2005 did not boost him much. His win shares per year are basically equal to Sosa, and his OPS+ is only 4 points lower than Sosa. When you consider that Santo played a premium defensive position, and played it at a Gold Glove level, while Sosa was no better than average in RF. It's really easy to argue that Santo was better than Sosa. Is it unthinkable that outfielders might be so much better offensively than third basemen that maybe the 19th best RF is still better than the 6th best 3B? Yes, because the stats I gave you above suggest that Santo was just as good offensively as Sosa. If you want to make a direct comparison between third basemen and right fielders, or right fielders and catchers, be my guest. I think it's much more fair to rate a player versus his peers - those who played his position. That is a fair way to look at this question. I do have a non-sarcastic question for you though: why wasn't Santo a first-ballot hall of famer? If he's the 6th best shortstop and someone like Sosa, 19th RF I think you said(?) is no question, HOF material, potentially first ballot (assuming no roid stuff comes out) why not Santo?

This is the third time I've read it on here.