just for fun, name your 12 A dozen was just an offhand comment to dismiss Murton's claim that Bonds as the greatest player, I'd certainly put Barroid in the top 10, but I'll play along. In no order, Ruth, Williams, Mays, Cobb, Musial, Clemens, Aaron, W. Johnson, Gehrig, Koufax, Matthewson, Hornsby, Speaker So Clemens is the only player who began playing in the past 50 years that ranks among the all-time greats? You can accuse people of being stuck in the present, but don't you think you might be overrating the past? Good point, Tim. JMO, I wouldn't include Clemens without including Maddux and Pedro