MeatampPotatoesMan

that was awesome. don't ever [expletive] do it again. :lol:

ROOAAARRR!!

nice throw, ronny.

he left it over the middle of the plate. it was not a good pitch, at all.

where'd fat Z go? bring him back, now!

nice. :x

win jerks!

lmao, he said the next guy that pulls a prank on him is getting his face, cell phone #, and address on a billboard saying "call me anytime." hahahahaha * that was from a different interview, btw. Eyre's in for it.

Seconded. Thirded Fourth-ed I agree, but the gap in talent closes significantly when you think about their service times and impending FA.

I think they broke his fishing pole in two. It's the only possible explanation. :D

I wouldn't give him an extension either. I was against getting him for the price we paid. However, statements like "Pierre has been terrible as a cub" and saying pierre's D has been crappy are statements that comment on a guy's performance (and I argue are false statements). Those claims stand alone. How do you undermine the main argument (extending Pierre)? Take out the supporting ones. I fail to see why you guys are having such an issue with this. Is Pierre an offensive stud OPS-wise? Of course not. Prototypical leadoff hitters usually aren't, but that's the old school vs. the new school clash. I don't agree with it, but it's the methodology this organization is going to follow. It makes more sense to me to stick Youkilis in the leadoff spot than Pierre, but JH didn't ask me. We have to do the best we can with the mindset the front office has - and that's Pierre. Pierre has been terrible as a Cub. Don't even use OPS, he has been awful at getting on base. He's always been considered a below average defender(I'm not the one who made the original statement about this year, I haven't noticed much good or bad besides his little league arm). :lol: He does have a noodle arm. What's the difference between starting out slow and "being terrible as a Cub?" Pierre's track record seems to indicate that he'll get on base at a decent clip and swipe a respectable number of bags. His range looks pretty good in CF. I've seen him take a couple bad reads, but he's managed to catch up to the ball each time that's happened. No harm, no foul. Pierre hasn't always been considered a below average defender. Where do you get this? Listening to guys like BB and JH, Pierre is a very competent defender, even though he has a weak arm.

If that's the case, then why come up with the underarm discomfort? Just flat out say that Woody didn't feel like pitching after his buddy died. If anyone slams him for that, they have issues. Concocting an arm injury story only fans the flames. the cubs media relations are truly horrible if this rumor is true. Why? That's none of our business. And it's not like they said that he was delayed because of an arm-related issue. If this was a factor, I'm guessing it was a combination of the two. It's none of our business if they lie to us, concocting some underarm/arm issue as the reason he didn't pitch? Geez, just put it under the reason of "personal issues" if you have to. No one is trying to get in Woody's business. Just don't make up stories (if the rumor is true - which i don't think it is).

If that's the case, then why come up with the underarm discomfort? Just flat out say that Woody didn't feel like pitching after his buddy died. If anyone slams him for that, they have issues. Concocting an arm injury story only fans the flames. the cubs media relations are truly horrible if this rumor is true. I don't know. I'm just reporting what I heard. I'm not saying there's any truth to it or not...even the source seemed somewhat skeptical. I understand - i'm not trying to go off on you, just being skeptical about the rumor itself. :)

I wouldn't give him an extension either. I was against getting him for the price we paid. However, statements like "Pierre has been terrible as a cub" and saying pierre's D has been crappy are statements that comment on a guy's performance (and I argue are false statements). Those claims stand alone. How do you undermine the main argument (extending Pierre)? Take out the supporting ones. I fail to see why you guys are having such an issue with this. Is Pierre an offensive stud OPS-wise? Of course not. Prototypical leadoff hitters usually aren't, but that's the old school vs. the new school clash. I don't agree with it, but it's the methodology this organization is going to follow. It makes more sense to me to stick Youkilis in the leadoff spot than Pierre, but JH didn't ask me. We have to do the best we can with the mindset the front office has - and that's Pierre.

If that's the case, then why come up with the underarm discomfort? Just flat out say that Woody didn't feel like pitching after his buddy died. If anyone slams him for that, they have issues. Concocting an arm injury story only fans the flames. the cubs media relations are truly horrible if this rumor is true.

.301 is still a terrible OBP, especially for a leadoff man. He needs to continue to pick it up to be worth considering giving an extension to, seeing as he's coming off a not-so-hot year. historically his obp will be 50-60 points above his BA. he'll be just fine. does he need to pick it up? of course and he has been doing so for the last week, if you've been watching. some people start out the season in slumps (Ramirez, cough, cough). it's early. why are you using .301 as the indicator of his abilities? Look, if you're going involve yourself in a discussion, you need to at least read what's being said before commenting, and avoid putting words into other people's mouths. Otherwise, kindly point out where I said that .301 was the indicator of his abilities. I used .301 because you used .301. See the stats at the top of the quote chain? Yeah, that was you talking, and that's what I was responding to. I said he needs to continue to step it up in order to be worth extending. In other words, .301 is not going to get it. You can't possibly disagree with that, can you? So what are you arguing about? I didn't put words in your mouth. I'm sorry that you think so. Feel free to be offended. What can I be arguing about - the same point I made in the post you obviously read (w/ Pierre's stats). It's early. historically Pierre hasn't been anywhere near .301 over 162 games (especially not when completely healthy).

No one is talking about long term extensions for Cedeno, Murton, and Ramirez. Where has anyone been unreasonable about Pierre in this thread? That's not the point. You said he has been "terrible"; then I guess some of your more favored guys have been terrible too, eh? We all favor ARam, and for a guy making over 10-mill year, he's been putrid. Ready to give up on him yet? Um, that's exactly the point. Or did you not notice the thread title? You're commenting on the guy's performance. Do those comments not stand by themselves as arguments? If they don't, then how are you supporting not giving Pierre an extension?

Pot meet TLR.

No one is talking about long term extensions for Cedeno, Murton, and Ramirez. Where has anyone been unreasonable about Pierre in this thread? You said he's been terrible as a cub. someone else said his D was poor. Those are exaggerations. Pierre's tracked down a number of balls that would have dropped for XBH had it been someone else in CF (Hairston, CPat, etc). He's communicated fairly well with new OF mates. Oh, and he doesn't have an error. His SB% is 100. He's on pace to score 123 runs with 66 SB. We can complain about his OBP right now, but he's going to be fine. He's been far from terrible as a cub. Jones on the other hand...legit target. Why would we talk about long term extensions for Murton or Cedeno? Ramirez isn't going to be a FA next season. :?

.301 is still a terrible OBP, especially for a leadoff man. He needs to continue to pick it up to be worth considering giving an extension to, seeing as he's coming off a not-so-hot year. historically his obp will be 50-60 points above his BA. he'll be just fine. does he need to pick it up? of course and he has been doing so for the last week, if you've been watching. some people start out the season in slumps (Ramirez, cough, cough). it's early. why are you using .301 as the indicator of his abilities?

What's up with the Pierre hate? He's played solid D and has picked it up of late (raised his BA about 68 points in 7 games). His SB% is 100. Pierre up to 4/15/06: .214 / .250 / .286 (3 SB) Pierre up to 4/23/06: .282 / .301 / .352 (7 SB) I hear the argument "it's early" for all of the board favorites (Cedeno, Murton, Ramirez). Somehow it's not so applicable when it's a guy like Pierre. Puzzling.

He'll be fine. Murton's done the mini-slump thing before.

Knowing Maddux, the thought probably crossed his mind. I would have rather seen a little Edmonds chin music myself though... if it wasn't for the man on 2nd at the time, we probably would have seen just that. however, putting up goose eggs and then laughing at the cards dugout on the way off the mound was even better.

mabry with a heck of a play.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO