CardsFanInChiTown

Hah, cards talk is freaking out.

Since we didn't get Burnett I bet Walt gets a big bat for the OF.

Yeah true, I hoping we would get him @ 4\40 with an option for a 5th.

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Hah, you can't blame the Marlins for askin'

No, because I think Patterson will be part of a bigger deal. Are you going to be upset when Burnett signs for 5 yrs 50 mill and then isnt any more reliable than Kerry Wood, who most all Cards fans like to call "fragile", but yet they want Burnett? :roll: yes

That is not a good comparison. Drew actually put up good numbers, often, and has completely outperformed Patterson in their respective careers. What he said. Patterson will not walk and strikes out a lot. J.D. walks a lot and strikes out a little. I don't think he was comparing #'s, he was comparing frustration levels. When J.D. came up he was suppose to be the next Mickey Mantle with his pretty swing. The fans perception is he wouldn't play through injuries and when he was out there he'd dog it. TLR felt he was content with being merely good even though he had the ability to be great. I still don't see the comparison. Patterson never put up the numbers. He showed brief glimpses, but then completey fell apart. It was a lot more than frustration, it was utter disbelief and a complete lack of faith in him being even remotely productive. A better comparison might be with Pirates fans and Ramirez, who had some numbers, was banged up and viewed as lazy/content, then left to have his best year in an opposing team's lineup. Fair enough, the Ramirez comparison would be better.

That is not a good comparison. Drew actually put up good numbers, often, and has completely outperformed Patterson in their respective careers. What he said. Patterson will not walk and strikes out a lot. J.D. walks a lot and strikes out a little. I don't think he was comparing #'s, he was comparing frustration levels. When J.D. came up he was suppose to be the next Mickey Mantle with his pretty swing. The fans perception is he wouldn't play through injuries and when he was out there he'd dog it. TLR felt he was content with being merely good even though he had the ability to be great.

Drew can actually play CF, in fact he prefers to because he believes it's easier on his body.

Here's more information about the deal here. I guess prospects would also be involved for the A's. A Buster Olney blub about the possible trade here.

Per ESPN rumors... Zito to Dodgers for Bradley? Dec 5 - The Athletics and Dodgers are talking about a potential trade that would send left-handed starter Barry Zito from Oakland to Los Angeles for outfielder Milton Bradley, the Los Angeles Daily News reports. Officials from both teams are expected to meet Monday at the winter meetings in Dallas. According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, the Rangers are focusing on Zito and have called the A's. The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the Rangers are offering outfielder Kevin Mench so far. Other teams believed to be suitors for the former Cy Young winner are the Mets, Diamondbacks, Phillies and Blue Jays. http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors I thought Zito would land more.

Pft. Dunn's not worth screws, sprockets, metal rods, nails, and sheet metal! Your right, the guy strikes out too much.

Done - this will be my temp Avatar.

The Cubs trade spare parts for Dunn. The Cards trade spare parts for Abreu.

So this is even worse huh? now you're trolling. why not put bartman or dusty up there? I believe the other posters problem with Willie was he's upsettingly ugly not that he's a Cardinal so I picked Carp.

So this is even worse huh?

Hah, I guess it is a pretty tough avatar to look at. Particularly on a Cubs board, I'll see what I can do. Especially when it's in every thread. Just put me on ignore.

I realize I walk a fine line on here and for the most part people have been pretty classy to me. Maybe I'll tone down some of my Cubs opinions on here. I'm not trolling, at my core just a nerd who likes chating about baseball. I don't think it's trolling... after all, I know the Cubs are going to suck this year, and I'm a Cubs fan. Being a baseball fan who can actually see reality doesn't make him a troll. Actually, if the Cubs get a impact RF bat I think they can be quite competive.

I realize I walk a fine line on here and for the most part people have been pretty classy to me. Maybe I'll tone down some of my Cubs opinions on here. I'm not trolling, at my core just a nerd who likes chating about baseball.

Hah, I guess it is a pretty tough avatar to look at. Particularly on a Cubs board, I'll see what I can do.

Better, but significantly better? I'm not so sure. Who's going to play third? Or first? Bill Mueller? Drew and Bradley (who probably won't even be a Dodger come opening day) are perennial DL candidates who are coming of injuries. Izturis (who helped carry the Dodgers early last year with his improbable start) is not going to be ready till midseason after major surgery. Gagne is going to be coming odd major surgery, as is Jayson Werth. You have no idea what you will get out of Jose Cruz Jr. Kent and Bradley hate each other. They don't even have a manager yet. They have a mixture of the young and inconsistent in the rotation. Weaver and possibly Lowe are going to be gone. They gave a foolish contract to Drew, to Lowe, and now a very foolish contract to Furcal. Now they're out of money. As for the Cubs, Wood is going to be a issue, but I don't feel Prior will miss any real time next year. Z is Z. Maddux is Maddux. We have Silver sluggers at first base and catcher, and a potential one in Ramirez at third whose offseason training is going to be monitored closely this year to help prevent leg troubles. We have gone from a terrible bullpen to a good one. Most importantly we have a ton of money to spend and a ton of prospects to trade to fill our holes. L.A. has the prospects, but not the money. I just feel the Cubs are in a better place than the Dodgers. I agree with many of your points however I was just reacting to your post "L.A. isn't winning anything anytime real soon." compared to the Cubs. I just don't see a huge gap between the 2 teams. But I agree the Cubs have a better upside than L.A.

I'd rather have Burnett @ 5\50 than Furcal. It's more high risk high reward move but I'd do it.

A huge problem with Z's value is Boras.

If he did, he went to the wrong place. L.A. isn't winning anything anytime real soon. Just curious, do you feel the Cubs have a much better chance at the playoffs then L.A.? I would think their odds are about even with the Cubs, maybe a little better considering they play in the NL west. I think they (the Dodgers) have a marginally better chance of reaching the playoffs (pending further moves this offseason), but any team that wins the West is going to be stopped dead in the first round. Those are all bad teams, and I hardly think being a sacrificial lamb in the first round is anything to be excited about. If the Cubs add a good bat in RF and a leadoff man, I think the Cubs are a much better team, even if their chances of making the playoffs are less. Hendry has 20-25 million to spend, and it's going to be spent. He's got a ton of young players to trade, and a lot of them are going to be traded. Barring disaster, the Cubs will have a significantly better team than the Dodgers come opening day. Those are good points, however with Furcal and a healthier team I think the Dodgers will also be a significantly better team next year.

If he did, he went to the wrong place. L.A. isn't winning anything anytime real soon. Just curious, do you feel the Cubs have a much better chance at the playoffs then L.A.? I would think their odds are about even with the Cubs, maybe a little better considering they play in the NL west.