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Considering cost prospect and $ wise of the Delgado and Beckett deals I'm not so sure of that. Just look for the right deal? Easier said then done. This market is really overheated.

Manny has a full NTC and I don't think he wants to come to Chicago.

Who's trying to move starting pitching right now? Trading for guys is still going to be costly.

Is there any contract NSBB is going like? At first I thought the Cubs deals (and the Ryan deal) were overpaying but now I'm not so sure.

Considering their ages and length of the deals I will humbly disagree.

Considering some of the other pitching deals this offseason 3/15 wouldn't be such a bad signing.

I've noticed a lot of posters hope that Pie stays in the minors in order improve his plate discipline. Do players actually improve their plate discipline more in the minors then they would in the majors? Has there been a study done on this? Thanks in advance!

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But Giles won't play for 3/27. Maybe the Cards have realized that and are moving on to Jones at 3/21. Puke - I'd rather have So Taguchi on the cheap. so - 288/322/412 jones - 249/319/438

It was a photoshop job. How do you know that? Look at the pic closer. If it were on tv the video would be floating around.

It was a photoshop job.

So does Jim Edmonds. I'm sure you have a better idea then any of us Vance. :P Isn't Jim Edmonds the one that was photographed grabbing another player by the cup at home plate? That pic was created with photoshop.

So does Jim Edmonds. I'm sure you have a better idea then any of us Vance. :P

Cubs fans like the pretty boys.

Kind of looks like your avatar, heh. Why don't they just keep Sanders and sign Giles for 3-4 more? Well I don't know what those players are expect but yeah I'd rather do that. Who knows maybe this will allow us to sign Burnett - I doubt it tho. :? BTW, don't make fun of Willie - there are many women in St. Louis who find him handsome!

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I would say that 27 is the beginning of many position player's prime years, but it's certainly not the peak. I don't know if anyone's ever done a study, but I highly doubt that 27 on average is the most productive year for most players out there. That's actually exactly what somebody did. 27 is the average prime year. That doesn't mean guys fall off cliffs at 28 or 29. What usually happens is players reach their peak at 27, but they can stay relatively close to that peak for several years after, a sort of plateau after the highest height. I find that hard to believe. Gotta link? Unfortunately, since I last read about all this at least 5 or 6 years ago, I don't have a link, but I can back up goony on this. In fact, I thought it to be common knowledge. Sorry, I still don't buy it. Look at the last 10 (different) MVP winners. Look at the All-Star game roster from this last year, and for anyone over 32, what were their most productive years? You had Bonds, not even close. Kent's most productive years were 29-32. Chipper Jones...27, you got that one. Sammy...2001 when he was 32. Larry Walker...30-32. Caminiti...33. Bagwell's best years were 29-33, other than the fluke season when he was 26. Go down the all-star rosters, league leaders in OPS, past MVPs, you'll find the majority of them do NOT have their best years at or before 27. The only explanation I can think of for your claim is your average role player who never does anything significant might peak at 27, and that's why they never did anything significant. I don't know. But looking at the quality players in the league, they don't peak at 27. I don't think Pierre, by any means, has necessarily had his best year. This BP article touchs on it a little bit... http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2659 Another Quote... http://www.baseballprospectus.com/library/Offense/Predicting/index.php

Wow, I didn't know about the pregnant wife thing. Somethings are more important then winning baseball games. I'd never sign a guy like that.

If everyone is overpaying. Therefore no one is overpaying. Wow is this statement wrong. Overpaying is overpaying. I think we are seeing a new market plain and simple. Therefore it's not overpaying. If everyone were overpaying it may be but not all teams are overpaying as some may not get into the free agent market because of the high prices. If everyone is buying a Toyota Prius for 32K and the sticker price is 30K does that mean that everyone is overpaying or just the people that are buying the Prius? Everyone pays when the market moves up. Teams may sit on the sidelines for awhile but in the end they will have to sign somebody sometime. There was a time when 1m was a lot of money to give a player, now that's chump change. Folks, we are seeing a strong uptick in the market. Sooner or later you don't have to overpay - you can still identify value and sign value. I'm saying it might not be overpaying. Value is relative to the market.

If everyone is overpaying. Therefore no one is overpaying. Wow is this statement wrong. Overpaying is overpaying. I think we are seeing a new market plain and simple. Therefore it's not overpaying. That's different. I think you can only evaluate if someone is overpaying by evaluating opportunity cost. Does signing Eyre and Howry cost the Cubs the chance to sign a productive RF? Then maybe they are overpaying. Do the Cubs have in-house options that are cheaper and would allow them to sign a RF and SS if they went that route? etc etc Fair enough, however in light of Ryan's contract I don't think the Eyre and Howry deals look as bad.

If everyone is overpaying. Therefore no one is overpaying. Wow is this statement wrong. Overpaying is overpaying. I think we are seeing a new market plain and simple. Therefore it's not overpaying. If everyone were overpaying it may be but not all teams are overpaying as some may not get into the free agent market because of the high prices. If everyone is buying a Toyota Prius for 32K and the sticker price is 30K does that mean that everyone is overpaying or just the people that are buying the Prius? Everyone pays when the market moves up. Teams may sit on the sidelines for awhile but in the end they will have to sign somebody sometime. There was a time when 1m was a lot of money to give a player, now that's chump change. Folks, we are seeing a strong uptick in the market.

If everyone is overpaying. Therefore no one is overpaying. Wow is this statement wrong. Overpaying is overpaying. I think we are seeing a new market plain and simple. Therefore it's not overpaying.

Considering how this market is blowing up Furcal is getting at least 5/60.

If everyone is overpaying. Therefore no one is overpaying.

Another thing, imagine how much work all these deals would be. It seems like a little too much all at once.