Other than Andre Miller, who was I hard on? Marbury has averaged 20 ppg consistently in the NBA. Kurt Thomas has been very successful. Bonzi Wells is at least decent. Tim Thomas, Mercer, Jason Williams, Barry, Odom, Maggette, Gooden are all solid players. Again, would you draft Marbury if you could do it all over again? Would you want him on your team? Ditto for Wells. That next group you mentioned are not successful relative to their draft position. I didn't think that was the point. I thought it was to show that a lot of top 15 picks have not been successful. It wasn't about who I would take on the Bulls or who is successful relative to their draft position. My overall point was to look at top 15 picks and not only see who was successful, but who was successful relative to their draft position. I think looking at the draft you see just about every "project" type guy, or one dimensional player ends up being a fringe NBA regular. Very few of them succeed. I mean, if you are the Bulls, and you have the 1st and 15th overall picks, how should you spend them? Should you take a project-type player with that 1st pick like Thomas? As athletic as he is, he is still a work in progress. He has a negligible offensive ability. He doesn't shoot very well. At 6-9 he's an undersized 4. He's not good enough to be a 3 on a team with Deng and Nocioni. He is very good defensively, has the leaping ability and the wingspan, and shows flashes of explosiveness offensively. Plus, your chances of developing such a raw player into a solid NBA player worth that #1 pick are low, looking at the past 9 drafts. Or do you take Noah, a more polished offensive player, just as intense, taller, more mature, with that pick, knowing that your likely range of outcome with Noah is better than with Thomas? Or do you take Roy, knowing that he fills a need, can score, plays defense, and as a senior is more fundamentally polished? Is upside worth more than a more stable commodity? Both Roy and Noah fill more of a need that Thomas, so given that and the risk of drafting a freshman who's raw historically, which way do you go?