I'll play this game. Imagine a lineup of: Theriot Murton Lee Ramirez Floyd DeRosa Soto Pie vs a lineup of: Theriot Cedeno Lee Ramirez Floyd Jones Pagan Kendall Which one consists of 4 players that are completely useless, with no upside, and which one has 4 players in their place that at least have the potential to be better, and can't possibly be worse. Try again. Both of those lineups have a mix of young and old. Put a lineup together using Lee and ARam as the only vets, and I'll be happy to show you an older and much better one. But the point is that no one is calling for lineups made of propsects plus Lee and Ramirez. You're lumping people who'd like to see the dead weight in our everyday lineup replaced by players in our system with more potential with people who'd like to trot out a Marlins-esque lineup. No one wants that. No one here has EVER wanted to see something like: Theriot Patterson Lee Ramirez Pie Harvey Soto Fontenot. That team would suck, to say nothing of the list of failed Cubs prospects you threw out there. That's why no one wants it. To say, however, that Kendall, Floyd, Pagan and Jones are just fine and will somehow attain their career norms despite 2 of them being clearly old and washed up is silly and wrong. Goonsey said it right: this isn't Vegas. There's no house, and to think that Cliff Floyd or Kendall are going to equal numbers put up in their prime is wishful thinking.