illiniguy

ah but don't let stats get in the way of a good story. Joe was pretty dang good for parts of three years. Then he got hurt. It happens to pitchers. I wish him the best still. Even after he was cut he was man enough to say good things about the cubs, unlike some superstars we have had before.

come on double play ball

play it old school. How do you think Cy Young got so many wins? he never pitched for the cubs. right....what does that have to do with anything? he didnt have dusty baker and a horrible bullpen to screw him out of wins. Weak attempt at humor.

please get out of it. I hate when we battle back only to give up a crushing two out hit.

play it old school. How do you think Cy Young got so many wins? he never pitched for the cubs.

I am so glad we have scott williamson.

yes len neifi being hurt at this point would just be horrible :roll:

if boring means they don't score again I am all for it

By "right to him" I presume you mean that he was able to get there? He should've caught it, but he did cover some ground. He had his glove on it. He did cover some ground, but I think Macias makes that catch.

he dropped a flyball right to him. I am a patterson fan, but it ain't happening here.

patterson needs to be gone.

maddux already said he wanted the wins the right way. That wouldn't be the right way.

i loathe berkman

They should consider it. That lineup looks a lot better if you replace Erstad with Delgado and move Figgins up into the leadoff spot. Doesn't Figgy already bat leadoff? We should trade them Lee so they can have their old first basemen they crave and they could give us back Morales, Wood, and Santana. :wink:

Imagine?\ I don't think there is any doubt that Frank isn't on the juice. He is a lot of things, but I don't think juicehead is one of them.

The point is that pre-1999, there were other players at or near Bonds performance level, but Bonds somehow raised his game to an unimaginable level between 2000 and 2004 in spite of his age. Combine that fact with the fact that he did use steroids and it creates a doubt not only regarding his numbers the last 4 to 5 years, but also whether other players, who didn't use steroids, would have put up similar numbers if they had used them the last 4 to 5 years. Two that immediately came to mind for me where A Rod and Ken Griffey Jr. Is there any doubting that A Rod and Ken Griffey would have put up Bonds like numbers the last 4 to 5 years if they were using steroids? I just don't understand how people can say that even if Bonds was a regular user of steroids, that they didn't help him improve power, bat speed, recovery from injuries, etc. I doubt Bonds would have put the kind of distance between himdelf and A Rod or Jr. the last 4 to 5 years if those players had used steroids. In fact, I tend to believe if they had used steroids, they might be mentioned as the greatest hitters of our era rather than Bonds. If you want to limit the comparison to players with similar AVG OBP SLG OPS to Bonds during the same years in the early to mid 1990s, then imagine Frank Thomas on steroids. Why did all these other great players fail to achieve what Bonds achieved between 2000 and 2004? Isn't it obvious that it wasn't all just Bond's unique baseball skills when he also admits to using steroids? My big indicator is my own eyes. Prior to his resurggence he was coming out of his shoes, hitting the ball, staring at it, and then it would get caught at the warning track. I remember thinking at the time he was almost done. Then low and behold within two years he hits 73 freaking homeruns in one of the biggest ballparks. The whole thing sucks because the guy was the best player of his generation before he did this crap to himself and tainted everything he has ever done. This isn't like Mac or Sosa who really were products of the juice. This is a guy who was great, saw it leaving and thus gambled everything on a few more good years. Tim you are right the guy was great, hall of fame good without them.

yippee.....cubs win......... neifi saved us

Get this manager a two year extension asap.

So what illegal supplements do you think Nolan Ryan was on? No way his body holds up for an average of 200+ innings/year for 6 years age 40-45, right? To be the barroid equivelant, Ryan would have had to go 25-3 / 1.43 / 380 Ks per year and 4 win Cy Youngs those last few years. kinda like clemens?

Since I usually only watch cubs games I wonder, can you just take the pitcher out or do you have to double switch no matter what. ](*,)

yep he's a cub bullpen guy

when did we sign Shaq? The best was that when Shaq actually graduated (1999, I believe, since he took summer classes for years and years), LSU had him back to give the keynote address at graduation. Shaq held up his degree (which was in general studies) and said, "I now believe that LSU stands for Love Shaq University." Did you see him on Quite Frankly today? He is an idiot, but he is very funny. I like the big lug.

because of that hit he got two years ago in the playoffs against us?

This series is for third place dude

when did we sign Shaq?