SAMMYWHO

Last year Livan Hernandez had the most pitcher abuse points but our's truly Carlos Z and Mark Prior were 2nd and 3rd. Now, let the Dusty bashing begin.

On a slow news day I was looking at last weeks articles. I came across this one and couldn't believe Todd Walker was listed as the third second baseman on the depth chart. Also it wasn't long ago Hendry was denying Prior being traded. Just thought it was interesting. Slap me if it's old news or already been mentioned. http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-csep21.html [/url]

I think I'm in the minority around here for wanting Washburn. But I wouldn't pay that kind of money for a 3rd or 4th starter.

So, basically what you are saying is stats are worthless and your opinion is the true indicator of what should hold weight around here? Sounds like an old school scout. Jim is that you?

and higher than Juan Pierre's career average. Would they be signed for the same thing? :roll:

I'm pretty sure it's a specific date in June. I know you can't do a sign and trade in MLB. Most other sports you can. Hope that helps Hoops.

I second that Pedro. I would put Wilkerson at 1 and then down the list. By the way Go Hawks.

Id rather take my chances on nomar's groin issues than have a starting outfield with Jones, Encarnacion, or Patterson in it.....and if Walker gets dealt.....then Id rather see Nomar take that spot and play the odds....at least then Neifi could back him up and give him some time off. Don't forget Cedeno to because Tejada would be at Short. =P~

Embarrasing, I for one wanted to retain Nomar and use him for exactly what the Indians want to sign him for. I didn't realize he'd play almost anywhere. Everything I read said Nomar would have signed with the Cubs if they didn't want him to play in the outfield.

I am stunned by this post. Where to begin. If CHC can acquire him on the cheap (and I think they can) they get, as has already been pointed out, a younger player than Burnitz and he can play CF when Pierre needs time off relieving us having to watch Jerry Hairston flounder around in CF (and if you like "good route running" look away with Hairston). It would also really help shore up the line-up. Is there a big difference? Well, let's look at it this way (we'll ignore BA because that is included in OBP--but it favors Bradley anyway so this isn't going to be me cherry-picking stats): .028 difference in OBP and .49 difference in SLG is HUGE! Let's say that they both get 500 ABs. That results in 14 more times on base and an additional 25 bases. Even if you want to say that Burnitz plays more games, he also makes more outs (not a good thing). Put on top of that that Dodger stadium is a pitcher's park while Wrigley actually was more of a hitters park last year meaning that both numbers were skewed in opposite directions. To level the playing field let's look at OPS+ (it equalizes for home fields). Bradley chimes in at 121, Burnitz at 96. Not good. For perspective a difference of 25 points would mean the difference between Neifi Perez (77) and Julio Lugo (105) and I haven't seen ANYONE post that the "drop" from Lugo to Perez would be even an issue. Sorry, even if Burnitz is a better defender (and I don't know that he is) I don't think he would begin to make up for the difference in offensive output. Wilkerson is a far better comparison for Bradley than Burnitz. Show me in my posts where I said I wanted Burnitz back. I don't. I never mentioned Hairston in Center. He was horrible but yet he was the best we had. That is why I'm excited to have Pierre on the team. That's another topic. I specifically stated I wanted a stud for RF. We have the money, and Hendry shouldn't go after some "project" in Bradley. On the same token, no Juan Encarnacion, Jacque Jones, or any other retread that has been turned down on this board. I started a list of players to show Hendry has options depending on whose available but all of those players get on base and most have power. I think all except one or two had OBP's above .360 last year. To be real specific, Milton Bradley probably is a good man or whatever. The media can really misguide the general public but his stats aren't good enough for me. I'm a big fan of Wilkerson and he's on the low end of what I want Hendry to get for RF. Like I keep saying, I want a stud. OK, let's start where we agree. I read over your list of good/great OF. Any ideas how to get any of them here? At no point did I say that you did want Burnitz back. I was responding to two of your posts. One of them DID say that Bradley was "not really much of an upgrade." That can be seen in the first post in the "quote" portion. As for bringing up Hairston, that I did do. My point was that if Pierre gets hurt we don't have a CF (assuming that CPat is gone--increasingly likely) other than Hairston. And if we don't acquire Bradley we will have Hairston in CF. This is from one of your earlier posts in this very thread. It is convoluted, I admit, but that was what I was responding to. My statement about Burny was vague because I didn't mean for anyone to think I wanted him back. I just want a bigger upgrade over Bradley. As far as my list of capable outfielders that was to prove Hendry has all kinds of options for RF, so with the pressure of his contract year or the White Sox championship or whatever the excuse to why we need to win now, I have hope he'll get someone that will fit the teams needs. The last thing I'm going to say about Bradley is I read that Todd Walker wasn't good enough to get him so if it were me, I'd keep Todd and move on. I wouldn't be against Welly or some other bulk arm, out of options, AAAA pitcher for Bradley though. Todd at second and almost anyone Hendry wants for RF is better than Bradley in RF and Neifi at 2nd. :P

I am stunned by this post. Where to begin. If CHC can acquire him on the cheap (and I think they can) they get, as has already been pointed out, a younger player than Burnitz and he can play CF when Pierre needs time off relieving us having to watch Jerry Hairston flounder around in CF (and if you like "good route running" look away with Hairston). It would also really help shore up the line-up. Is there a big difference? Well, let's look at it this way (we'll ignore BA because that is included in OBP--but it favors Bradley anyway so this isn't going to be me cherry-picking stats): .028 difference in OBP and .49 difference in SLG is HUGE! Let's say that they both get 500 ABs. That results in 14 more times on base and an additional 25 bases. Even if you want to say that Burnitz plays more games, he also makes more outs (not a good thing). Put on top of that that Dodger stadium is a pitcher's park while Wrigley actually was more of a hitters park last year meaning that both numbers were skewed in opposite directions. To level the playing field let's look at OPS+ (it equalizes for home fields). Bradley chimes in at 121, Burnitz at 96. Not good. For perspective a difference of 25 points would mean the difference between Neifi Perez (77) and Julio Lugo (105) and I haven't seen ANYONE post that the "drop" from Lugo to Perez would be even an issue. Sorry, even if Burnitz is a better defender (and I don't know that he is) I don't think he would begin to make up for the difference in offensive output. Wilkerson is a far better comparison for Bradley than Burnitz. Show me in my posts where I said I wanted Burnitz back. I don't. I never mentioned Hairston in Center. He was horrible but yet he was the best we had. That is why I'm excited to have Pierre on the team. That's another topic. I specifically stated I wanted a stud for RF. We have the money, and Hendry shouldn't go after some "project" in Bradley. On the same token, no Juan Encarnacion, Jacque Jones, or any other retread that has been turned down on this board. I started a list of players to show Hendry has options depending on whose available but all of those players get on base and most have power. I think all except one or two had OBP's above .360 last year. To be real specific, Milton Bradley probably is a good man or whatever. The media can really misguide the general public but his stats aren't good enough for me. I'm a big fan of Wilkerson and he's on the low end of what I want Hendry to get for RF. Like I keep saying, I want a stud.

While I'm sitting here dreaming here's a list of players I hope Hendry at least picks up the phone and asks if they're available. Gary Sheffield Jason Bay, Grady Sizemore J.D. Drew Vlad Guerrero Pat Burrell Bobby Abreau Miggy Cabrera G. Jenkins Ryan Freel (utility, not starting RF) Wily Mo Ordonez in no particular order You get the point. There are tons of players who would fit well in RF wearing Cubbie Blue. Now most players here (almost all) are not rumored in trade talks but nobody here has a clue if they're available (excluding Bruce Miles). That's why I've said all along that I'm waiting to call out Hendry until he signs a RF.

It's better but first off to defend Burny, he played sound fundamental baseball (hitting the cutoff, taking good routes, etc.). He also played in all of two games. I'm not making a case to bring back Burny, I just want a bigger upgrade in right over Burny. We have the money and I don't want Bradley and his baggage. I hold out for a Vlad or Dunn (yes I'm seeing nothing but smoke) in a trade. A huge bat that isn't a problem health wise.

I agree Warren, most posters on this board have huge problems with a guy who doesn't play the whole season but have a love affair with Milton Bradley. These our Burnitz's numbers for us last year. (Note, in 04 they were significantly better) 160 605 84 156 31 2 24 87 263 57 109 5 4 .322 .435 .258 Bradley's 05 numbers 75 283 49 82 14 1 13 38 137 25 47 6 1 .350 .484 .290 Is that really that much of an upgrade. Added in the fact Burnitz was there every day. He just came to the ballpark to play and that's the best part of him in my book. If you look into Milton's numbers they are very inconsistent. With the projected lineup of Neifi/Cedeno or Walker up the middle, Murton in left, Pierre in Center, I want a stud for right. No mediocre RF. That list is short and everyone knows the wishlist so I just hope and pray Hendry pulls one out of the hat and lands us a stud. Say no to Bradley.

SAMMYWHO? wrote: Hey Pedro, I don't believe us Iowan's would get along with Southern Flordians. Why, you got something against really old people? No, I just like to be able to understand the language they speak. Although, Florida supposedly has the highest girl to guy ratio. To bad they're old widows.

Hey Pedro, I don't believe us Iowan's would get along with Southern Flordians.

Let's break them down one at a time. Cabrera Harvey, Pie, Nolasco and Guzman Dontrelle, J. Williams, Dope, and two of Mitre, Welly, Wuertz, Novoa (2 guys who have got their feet wet in the bigs Pierre You all figure it out. I don't want him if I get Miguel and D-Train because our farm system would now be in shambles. I honestly believe that kind of package could get both or either of them.

Rusch33 and Des Moines Cub, Go Iowa. Kick the snot out of Florida again. Makes Gator country easier to recruit. As for B-ball tonight, that's tough, grew up a Hawk fan, live in Panther country. As for the thread, I'm glad Hendry didn't overpay for Furcal. Giles is the only free agent so far that got what he's worth, and that's because he loves the sun. I have a feeling (no source except my gut) that we're coming out of the GM meetings with a big fish!!!

He better really like Corey to give up enough prospects to make Florida give up Pierre.

Padres probably just making room for both Giles brothers. Who would Atlanta want back?

Awesome post. I love the positive attitude. Even signing Lofton to be the 4th outfielder and trading for Wilkerson and an impact in right. I like Murton but he's no guarantee. With that lineup, I'd give Cedeno as much playing time his body could handle. I'd bat him 8th and move Wilkerson to 2nd and slide everyone else down. Plus I think we'd have money left over for a Jarrod Washburn type starter.

What about you Pedro. Is that you?

I can't say I blame him. San Diego would be my first place I'd want to live. Especially if I was financially set.

Regarding the trade with the Phils and Red Sox. First of all the Cubs are giving up way to much in that deal. Second, Bill Mueller is a free agent.

I wouldn't mind some young arms going. November 18th is coming soon. We'll have to set the 40 man by then.