The Voice of Reason

He got hurt doing cartwheels in the outfield before a game. Ranks right up there with the Sammy sneeze and Jose Cardenal not being able to play because the crickets were too loud the night before and he couldn't sleep. hahahhaha WFT? I've never heard that one. http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Morisato/2006/06/07/All_Time_Stupidest_Sports_Injuries

He got hurt doing cartwheels in the outfield before a game. Ranks right up there with the Sammy sneeze and Jose Cardenal not being able to play because the crickets were too loud the night before and he couldn't sleep.

I agree with the spin from Rotoworld.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. - Woody Allen I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best Money can't buy you happiness but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery. - Spike Milligan Money won't buy happiness, but it will pay the salaries of a large research staff to study the problem. - Bill Vaughn The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights. - J. Paul Getty

Time for the Pirates to trade Jason Bay to the Cubs for a couple of AA prospects.

Me too. The Phillies would have been 20 + games under .500 without Ryan Howard. I can't think of anyone that deserves it as much as he does. :lol:

I didn't understand why Rozner wanted to paint that as a potential positive, and I don't understand why you think it is either. Wrigley ownership was disastrous, was it not? His point is it would be a different generation of Wrigley with different views on how to run a business/Club. Not all Grandsons think the same way as their Grandfathers did. Does anyone know if the Cubs receive any compensation from the Wrigley Company for playing in "Beautiful Wrigley Field" and all the publicity the Wrigley Company gets as a result of it?

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Hendry should pick him up as a Scout. Obviously he has an eye for talent and it doesn't sound like Albert will allow him to return to the Cardinals any time soon. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/columns/story?columnist=thompson_wright&id=2637763

Come on guys, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Look back at 1968. The Cardinals led the Tigers 3 - 1. The parade in St. Louis was planned. Everyone had written off the Tigers. Cocky Cardinal fans were talking dynasty. Bob Gibson of the 1.12 ERA was waiting in the wings to close out the series. But then all of a sudden the Tigers started getting the breaks and a certain left handed pitcher named Lolich (can you say Rogers) who had been overshadowed all year by other pitchers on the staff saved the day. Jeff Weaver is no Bob Gibson. If the Tigers can win tonight, Rogers wins game six and then it all comes down to game 7 in Detroit.

According to ESPN and Tony LaRussa, most pitchers use pine tar (just usually not as blatantly as Rogers) giving credence to the words of LaRussa "you aren’t competing if you’re not cheating."

I think Kruk is very knowledgeable when it comes to cheating - afterall, he was a teammate of Lenny Dykstra. La Russa's common sense view: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/jeffgordon/story/C9DF1A27C34A86DF86257210007DB8E6?OpenDocument

I just wonder if the Tigers were managed by anyone other than Jim Leyland if Larussa wouldn't have raised a bigger stink? If that was Dusty in the other dugout I'm sure Larussa would have been out there in a heartbeat. I don't think someone as intense and baseball savvy as LaRussa would put friendship above winning a World Series. I just think he realized arguing would not have accomplished much (especially after Rogers hand was cleaned) and didn't want to come off as a whiner. The fact remains, Rogers pitched 7 of 8 innings with a "clean" hand.

60 - 70% of Major league pitchers use pine tar (per ESPN), Rogers wiped the substance (no ones proven it's pine tar) off after the first inning and was still unhittable, La Russa had an opportunity to challenge it with the umps and didn't and (to his credit) showed a lot of class by not whining about it afterward. This is not a big deal. Time to move on.

Yeah, it really does. Also, it's kind of interesting how his performance hasn't changed since he took it off. Or maybe that's due to him being more relaxed as det had already scored when he took it off. Much adieu (by the cards hometown announcers) about nothing.

Tigers in Three. After three consecutive blow out losses, instead of showing up for game four, the Cards head to the Landing to celebrate making it to the World Series and to bid farewell to Edmonds, Suppan, etc.

Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers! Let's go Tigers!

Let's go Mets! Let's go Mets!Let's go Mets!Let's go Mets!Let's go Mets!

Nice play rolen! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Are you always this pleasant? Whatever happened to attack the post and not the poster?

The Catman wrote: The unmitigated gall of a Cub fan to post an article (written by a national writer) in the Rivalries section of a Cubs fans website that doesn't totally kiss the butt of the Cardinal heroes (past and present), local media, organization and "the best fans in baseball." I should be lynched - good thing Enos Country Slaughter is no longer around. :wink:

The previous "comparisons" to Reggie White and Kirby Puckett are laughable. A little history lesson is in order. Slaughter had 2,383 hits, including 169 homers, and 1,304 RBI in 2,380 games in his career. He retired in 1959 and became eligible for the Hall of Fame in 1964, but was not elected until 1985 The reason Slaughter was kept out was because of his part in the Cardinals attempted strike in 1947, when Robinson became the first black player in the major leagues. National League president Ford Frick stepped in, threatening harsh action against the players. "If you do this, you will be suspended from the league,'' Frick told the Cardinals. "You will be outcasts. I don't care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another.'' In August 1947, Slaughter spiked Robinson in a play at first base but said it was unintentional. The Dodgers were livid. "All I know is that I had my foot on the inside of the bag. I gave Slaughter plenty of room,'' Robinson said.

As a reminder, NSBB etiquette calls for attacking the post, not the poster, although trust me my feelings are not the least bit hurt. I guess in this case it's much easier for you to shoot the messenger than to try to challenge some of the valid points the author made that evidently hit home. If you think they are valid points, I am happy for you to revel in your blindness. Are you disputing the writer's contention that: Quote: For years, decades even, players in every sport have spoken with the media after tough losses. Players can handle it, even the "very best competitors," provided they aren't jerks. Bonds couldn't handle it, but he was a jerk. Steve Carlton and Kevin Brown couldn't handle it, either, but they were jerks. After a period of time, those titles became accepted: Steve Carlton = jerk. If Pujols isn't careful it'll happen to him, and if you're wondering why it hasn't happened yet, look at his address. He plays in St. Louis, a town that for years has looked the other way for its best baseball players. For example, I'm writing this story from the Enos Slaughter Room. Slaughter was behind a near-boycott in 1947 when the Cardinals objected to the color of Jackie Robinson's skin. In some places a player gets maligned for that sort of thing. In St. Louis he gets a room named after him. I don't think he was calling Pujols a racist or saying that he's as bad as Enos Slaughter. The point I got from it is that you can be a jerk in St. Louis and the media will look the other way as long as you're a good player, evidenced by the room named after Slaughter, who was a jerk. He's saying that perhaps the St. Louis media might have looked the other way when Pujols has been a jerk in the past, just as they did with Slaughter. Uhhhh, Enos Slaughter was 60 years ago. And that's your evidence? Yes it was 60 years ago that the Racist Slaughter tried to keep the courageous Jackie Robinson out of baseball simply because the color of his skin was black. However, it was this year that the Cardinal organization choose to honor Enos Slaughter by naming a room after him in the new Busch stadium.

As a reminder, NSBB etiquette calls for attacking the post, not the poster, although trust me my feelings are not the least bit hurt. I guess in this case it's much easier for you to shoot the messenger than to try to challenge some of the valid points the author made that evidently hit home. If you think they are valid points, I am happy for you to revel in your blindness. Are you disputing the writer's contention that: Quote: For years, decades even, players in every sport have spoken with the media after tough losses. Players can handle it, even the "very best competitors," provided they aren't jerks. Bonds couldn't handle it, but he was a jerk. Steve Carlton and Kevin Brown couldn't handle it, either, but they were jerks. After a period of time, those titles became accepted: Steve Carlton = jerk. If Pujols isn't careful it'll happen to him, and if you're wondering why it hasn't happened yet, look at his address. He plays in St. Louis, a town that for years has looked the other way for its best baseball players. For example, I'm writing this story from the Enos Slaughter Room. Slaughter was behind a near-boycott in 1947 when the Cardinals objected to the color of Jackie Robinson's skin. In some places a player gets maligned for that sort of thing. In St. Louis he gets a room named after him. I don't think he was calling Pujols a racist or saying that he's as bad as Enos Slaughter. The point I got from it is that you can be a jerk in St. Louis and the media will look the other way as long as you're a good player, evidenced by the room named after Slaughter, who was a jerk. He's saying that perhaps the St. Louis media might have looked the other way when Pujols has been a jerk in the past, just as they did with Slaughter. Exactly, and with McGwire.

As a reminder, NSBB etiquette calls for attacking the post, not the poster, although trust me my feelings are not the least bit hurt. I guess in this case it's much easier for you to shoot the messenger than to try to challenge some of the valid points the author made that evidently hit home. If you think they are valid points, I am happy for you to revel in your blindness. Are you disputing the writer's contention that: Quote: For years, decades even, players in every sport have spoken with the media after tough losses. Players can handle it, even the "very best competitors," provided they aren't jerks. Bonds couldn't handle it, but he was a jerk. Steve Carlton and Kevin Brown couldn't handle it, either, but they were jerks. After a period of time, those titles became accepted: Steve Carlton = jerk. If Pujols isn't careful it'll happen to him, and if you're wondering why it hasn't happened yet, look at his address. He plays in St. Louis, a town that for years has looked the other way for its best baseball players. For example, I'm writing this story from the Enos Slaughter Room. Slaughter was behind a near-boycott in 1947 when the Cardinals objected to the color of Jackie Robinson's skin. In some places a player gets maligned for that sort of thing. In St. Louis he gets a room named after him.