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Michigan and Illinois over Wisconsin? did Wisconsin lose on Saturday??? These rankings are based on three primary factors: W/L, the teams you play, and the conference you're in. Thus, for teams in the same conference without a loss, SOS is the only differentiating factor. Wisconsin has played the weakest schedule of any undefeated team, and thus, there you are.
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When you have 4 non-conference games per year, and nearly every school choose at least 2 cupcakes out of those 4, how can you determine anybody's ever any good? Are you going to argue that we don't know if Wisconsin is good yet? It's the teams fault for not knowing 3 years in advance if their opponents this year would be terrible.
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A&H updated their ratings. For your amusement: 1. Oklahoma. 0.843 2. Alabama. 0.838 3. LSU. 0.824 4. Oklahoma State. 0.82 5. Boise State. 0.816 6. Michigan. 0.808 7. Clemson. 0.801 8. Illinois. 0.79 9. Kansas State. 0.788 10. Georgia Tech. 0.783 11. Texas. 0.782 12. Stanford. 0.777 13. South Carolina. 0.755 14. Houston. 0.751 15. Wisconsin. 0.727 16. Arkansas. 0.725 17. Baylor. 0.718 18. North Carolina. 0.706 19. Arizona State. 0.701 20. Virginia Tech. 0.697 21. Nebraska. 0.696 22. USC. 0.683 23. West Virginia. 0.683 24. Penn State. 0.683 25. Rutgers. 0.682
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How would you know? They don't play anyone. What's the best OOC win? The squeaked against ASU or UM needing 4 TOs, missed FGs, and about 6 consecutive prayers answered to beat an average ND team? (A top ten team yet to play an away game finally travels 90 miles West this week) The entire conference starts with cupcakes and maybe 1 AQ school. Then 6 weeks in they look back and see which 4 teams are still defeated and say "but the top of the conference is solid." You also basically described the SEC's OOC schedule and corresponding, which was the weakest in the country overall. Caveat: Yes, there are more impressive victories in it at the top end. The Big Ten is 3rd in every statistical analysis I can find (and I've been doing a lot of looking the past weekend). Well behind the SEC and Big 12, but decently ahead of the ACC, Big East and Pac-12. The Big Ten isn't solid because they have 3 undefeated teams, but because there's a reasonable argument one of them might still just be the 7th best team in the conference (Illinois-Sagarin predictors 33rd team, behind Wisky (6), UM (9), PSU (22), MSU (23), NU (26) and even tOSU (29)). And that team has the best win in the conference.
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Seems to be the story of the Big Ten for awhile now (in both football and basketball) Better than average mid-tier teams, but few if any elite teams. I think the biggest two things that hurt the Big Ten's national perception this year is 1) Ohio State is not good, and public opinion assumes OSU is always one of the best Big Ten teams; and 2) Indiana and Minnesota are likely the worst two major conference teams. EDIT: And the best Big Ten non-conference win was probably Illinois' win over Arizona State. Either that or Michigan over Notre Dame. Nobody else won anything of import.
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I had bye week hell this week and started Cassel, BJGE and Pierre Garcon. Yep.
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For those that care, here's a fairly good estimation of what the BCS standings will look like next week, barring weird happenings (it's missing one computer rating and one is a week old): 1. LSU, 1.6 2. Alabama, 1.73 3. Oklahoma, 3.33 4. Boise State, 5 5. Oklahoma State, 5.73 6. Wisconsin, 5.93 7. Clemson, 7.4 8. Stanford, 8 9. Michigan, 10.6 10. Arkansas, 12 11. Oregon, 12.27 12. Georgia Tech, 13 13. Illinois, 14.33 14. Nebraska, 14.6 15. Kansas State, 15.67 16. South Carolina, 16.27 17. West Virginia, 17.47 18. Arizona State, 18.87 19. Texas, 19.07 20. Virginia Tech, 19.87 21. Baylor, 22 22. Auburn, 23.13 23. Texas A&M, 23.93 24. Florida, 24.67 25. Michigan State, 25.67
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So, then faux BCS standings with the Harris poll: 1. LSU, 1.6 2. Alabama, 1.73 3. Oklahoma, 3.33 4. Boise State, 5 5. Oklahoma State, 5.73 6. Wisconsin, 5.93 7. Clemson, 7.4 8. Stanford, 8 9. Michigan, 10.6 10. Arkansas, 12 11. Oregon, 12.27 12. Georgia Tech, 13 13. Illinois, 14.33 14. Nebraska, 14.6 15. Kansas State, 15.67 16. South Carolina, 16.27 17. West Virginia, 17.47 18. Arizona State, 18.87 19. Texas, 19.07 20. Virginia Tech, 19.87 21. Baylor, 22 22. Auburn, 23.13 23. Texas A&M, 23.93 24. Florida, 24.67 25. Michigan State, 25.67
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So the Raiders oblige by throwing an incomplete pass to stop the clock after Houston used up their last timeout.
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Texans just kicked a field goal down 8 with 2 minutes to play. So, they went from needing a touchdown to...needing a touchdown.
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Suicide watch on suicide pools today.
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I continue to have no clue who the 4th best team in the NFC is, and it could still very well be the Bears.
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So, without the Harris Poll (and waiting on an updated A&H rating), here's what the BCS rankings would look like today: 1. Alabama, 1.6 2. LSU, 1.9 3. Oklahoma, 3.5 4. Boise State, 5 5. Oklahoma State, 5.6 6. Wisconsin, 6.9 7. Clemson, 7.1 8. Stanford, 8.5 9. Michigan, 10.9 10. Arkansas, 12.5 11. Georgia Tech, 13.5 12. Oregon, 13.9 13. Illinois, 14.5 14. Kansas State, 15 15. Nebraska, 15.4 16. South Carolina, 16.9 17. West Virginia, 18.2 18. Texas, 18.6 19. Arizona State, 18.8 20. Virginia Tech, 20.8 21. Auburn, 21.7 22. Baylor, 22.5 23. Texas A&M, 24.4 24. Florida, 24.5 25. Washington, 26.6
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Copied and pasted from their site. So, as sure as I am about the other ones. Those are from last week. Well, I'll just roll with it for now then until they update. That explains Texas.
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Copied and pasted from their site. So, as sure as I am about the other ones.
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As a preview of what the BCS rankings may look like, here are the computer BCS rankings for this week: Sagarin Billingsley: Massey: Colley: Anderson & Hester: The last one, Wolfe ratings, won't be posted until next week.
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In the perpetual futility stats department, this is only the third time since the Big Ten was formed in 1953 that Illinois was ever as many as 3 games better than Ohio State in a season. They've never been more than that.
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Oh, and after that disaster, it'll be interesting to see how tOSU responds next week in Champaign, and if they'll get some of those extra suspended players back.
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I really don't think the Big Ten is that bad. Sure, the SEC and Big 8 have been unquestionably better, but Wisconsin is deservedly in the national championship discussion, and there are likely 5 other top 25 teams at varying levels (Nebraska, Michigan, Illinois, MSU, maybe Ohio State when eligible), and PSU, Iowa and Northwestern aren't terrible. Minnesota and Indiana are avert-your-eyes bad, though.
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Bleh, and the 5th one goes in.
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Dallas has 4 shots total midway through the second period.
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It seems like a game plan of "stack 9 in the box and dare Denard to beat you by throwing" wouldn't be that hard to pull off, and yet nobody's been able to do it yet this year. Although, NW was game last week until the 4th quarter, too.
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Florida? They can beat Florida. I'm working under the assumption that Illinois' best case scenario here is a loss to Wisconsin and a berth in the Capital One Bowl against SEC team #3. So, Florida/Arkansas/Auburn. I just don't think they're in that league at this point, but their schedule is going to end up playing them into a bowl opponent bigger than they can handle.
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I can't wait until Illinois finishes 11-2 on the season and loses by 50 to Wisconsin and Florida.
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Al won championships. Long ago, but he did win. So did Wirtz. They bought the team in 1954, and won it all in 1961.
