Actually, they're tied for 9th right now. And a few years ago, we would have been thrilled with that. Now it's just sad. yeah last year definitely put high expectations with this year's team. I didn't think we'd be as good as last year's team (with the loss of Curry and Davis), but definitely playoff level. Still half a season to go, I really hope we can get the 6th or 7th seed to avoid Detroit...these one, two, and three point losses are definitely killing us right now though.