The MAC isn't a conference that takes much for a complete turnaround. They've had 7 champions in 9 years, and 9 schools have won or tied for the division in the last 5 years. That's a good point but again, Buffalo was epically bad before he came there. I think the coaching turnover rate in that conference is also a big reason for why it's much easier to win in that conference almost right away as compared to most. All of the real good coaches get plucked away immediately. I guarantee you Buffalo will fade all the way back to the ranks of the obscure now that Gill's gone. Sorry to pick on Andy, but I see them being about as bad as Ball St. was this past year. I don't think he's a program-changing coach for Kansas by any means, but he should have them competing for seven to eight wins a year. if 8 wins is an average season for KU, that's program changing. Well 5-7 this year for Mangino was horrible. I think Gill can get 7-8 wins a year, especially playing in the North.