Rob

You may want to rethink that comment.

You def want the dude who doesn't know how to take a walk batting in front of Lee and Aram. Hopefully the thought was more "this season is toast and I'd like to get Colvin some extra at bats up there at the top" rather than "hey, he hits lefty with a line drive stroke!"

Bob really needs to lay off the Bradley hate.

So with that logic we just bench the entire team I guess? Nice. Many of them, sure. Why would you be opposed to letting Marmol, Z, and Ramirez, and Lilly take off early? because if I wanted to watch prospects play I'd go to a minor league game. As a business it does them no good to sit all their stars and recognizable names. As a business decision, they have to decide whether or not boosting attendance for the last few games they have this season is worth potentially injuring a player and hurting them next season... when they'll be aiming for big playoff bucks.

Quite well. 11.3 runs above average each of the last two years according to UZR... though he did that in a mere 119 games last year, so he's probably declining a bit.

One way or another, the Cubs had to pay Bradley. If it's an official suspension, the MLBPA would have stepped in and filed a grievance they would have easily won (considering the complete lack of precedent for such a stupid suspension). If it's an unofficial suspension, they have to pay him. Hell, even if Bradley came out and said he didn't deserve to get paid, the MLBPA still would have filed and won that grievance. They wont let there be a precedent set that will allow players to forgo guaranteed money.

^^ Two thumbs down to everyone that expects and anticipates injuries, just because it's a young pitcher/player. I'm not expecting it just because he's young. I'm expecting it because there's a very high risk associated with jumps in innings as high as he's had... Risk versus reward, folks. What do we stand to gain from running some of these players out there the rest of the season? Very little. And in some cases (pitchers with large jumps in their workload, other players who have a history of injury) the risk is too high to justify it.

Pros: - Less likely to injure his arm. - End his season on a good note. - Keeps trade value high. - Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs. - As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick. Cons: - It sucks to watch the Cubs lose. Gee, this is a tough call.

Do you think Hendry deserves to keep his job? I think he deserves to keep his job unless we find a better GM to replace him. I wouldn't see much point in firing him if we couldn't get a Logan White or Mark Antonetti... it may actually make our team worse.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1070&position=OF#value Take a look at the last two columns. Dollars is how much money he was worth. Salary is self explanatory. So if I'm reading that right, he's been worth more than he's been paid every year but 2005? Far more. Yes. If we could get him on a one year deal for 10 mil, we absolutely should.

What about his EqA, BABIP, LD%, and RC? Something about this post seems sarcastic...

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1070&position=OF#value Take a look at the last two columns. Dollars is how much money he was worth. Salary is self explanatory.

Mike Cameron is criminally undervalued. The problem is that all of his value comes from things that the casual baseball fan can't appreciate. He takes a ton of walks and hits for a bunch of doubles while playing an exceptional defensive center field, but without the flashy catches you'd see from a Jim Edmonds.

Jim Hendry made a lot of good moves this offseason... including the DeRosa deal. Personally, i had always been of the mind to play Pie and let him adjust (which he's finally done), but once Lou decided he couldn't bear to witness a young player trying to adjust slowly, signing Bradley was actually a good move considering what was available and the pricetags associated. He could've done better had he known Abreu's price would drop so drastically, but nobody knew that. Just because the moves didn't pan out doesn't mean he made the wrong ones. We can only judge him with the information he had available at the time.

I love how so many people that aren't racist take it personally when a player talks about racist fans. He wasn't talking about you. He was talking about the racists.

Procedural question: can stuff like that be a reason to put a guy on the DL? Because that would have been a more elegant way out of this mess, obtaining the same result (getting Bradley out of the clubhouse for the rest of the season). If we had Bradley's permission, I know it wouldn't be a problem. A lot of players have gone on the DL in the last couple years with psychological issues... Zack Greinke, Joey Votto, Dontrelle Willis, Justin Duchscherer, Khalil Greene... As to whether we could do it without his permission? I'm not sure, but I'd sincerely doubt it. At the least, I can't imagine Bradley would consent to an evaluation, which would give him a slam dunk case when the players association decides to file a grievance on his behalf.

We may just be trying to get out of keeping him on the 40 next season. Or maybe his arm is toast.

This isn't really the point of all of this (though I don't know what the point of this thread is anymore), and it's nitpicking, but factoring in defense, Bradley was below-average this year. UZR has him 2.6 runs below average. FRAA has him 6 runs over average. I imagine most metrics have him floating somewhere around average or within a few runs of it.

I don't know, but he's turning every discussion about Bradley into the kind of juvenile crap you'd see on Cubs.com.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long. I'm a troll because I 100% disagree with you? Interesting logic. You're continually asserting incorrect things after being corrected multiple times. That's an obvious failure to engage in a rational debate, and shows that you have no interest in listening to opinions other than your own. That's pretty much the definition of trolling. The fact that the other side is asserting that, for some amazing reason, players are "afraid" to speak their true minds because of some great fear of Attila the Hendry coming down on them is just as irrational, if not more, than the "incorrect" things being asserted on his side. Nobody's trolling. Its just a bad argument on both sides. Both sides of this debate are using incredibly stupid points. Get over your ridiculous message board pride and see the rational side of this, people. The truth of this is somewhere in the middle between "this is the greatest injustice ever done to a player and I hope it gets overturned" and "Bradley is the single biggest cancer since...cancer." Putting "incorrect" in quotation marks? Really? His production is a matter of public record and is fact. It's not open to interpretation. Again, from Joe Sheehan: "Bradley is fifth on the Cubs in Runs Above Replacement Player, and tied for third among their regulars with a .271 EqA." If you want the Cubs to win, the best thing you can root for is Bradley being our RF next year. There's really no way around it. On the other hand, if Bradley being on this team really makes it impossible for you to enjoy watching them, you're entitled to that opinion. But that's rooting against the Cubs for your own selfish reasons... and I can't stand people trying to point at his production as an excuse so they can feel okay about it. Why can't they just admit they'd rather this team lose a couple more games if they'd better enjoy the players on the field? It's a legitimate opinion that isn't extremely intellectually dishonest... provided they don't bitch about the Cubs front office screwing things up when we miss the playoffs by a game or two.

WOW!!! WHAT?????? No, it's called I DISAGREE 100% with you. What do you not understand about that? You also admitted you have no interest in a rational discussion about it. That's trolling.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long. I'm a troll because I 100% disagree with you? Interesting logic. You're continually asserting incorrect things after being corrected multiple times. That's an obvious failure to engage in a rational debate, and shows that you have no interest in listening to opinions other than your own. That's pretty much the definition of trolling. No, I have no interest in the three or four Bradley defenders telling me how unfair we all have been to him. That's a joke. So you admit to trolling? That's a bold move.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long. I'm a troll because I 100% disagree with you? Interesting logic. You're continually asserting incorrect things after being corrected multiple times. That's an obvious failure to engage in a rational debate, and shows that you have no interest in listening to opinions other than your own. That's pretty much the definition of trolling.

I dont think anything he said deserved being suspended for. do you think there may possibly be some "behind the scenes" incidents that we aren't privy to though? I sure hope so. Joe Sheehan pointed this out... "the last non-drug-related suspension of this length was Albert Belle's, and he threw a baseball at a fan who was heckling him from the stands." For a few comments at the media to spark such an action? It's absurd. People haven't been suspended this long when they've been accused of beating their wives.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long.