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Pros: - Less likely to injure his arm. - End his season on a good note. - Keeps trade value high. - Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs. - As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick. Cons: - It sucks to watch the Cubs lose. Gee, this is a tough call.

Do you think Hendry deserves to keep his job? I think he deserves to keep his job unless we find a better GM to replace him. I wouldn't see much point in firing him if we couldn't get a Logan White or Mark Antonetti... it may actually make our team worse.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1070&position=OF#value Take a look at the last two columns. Dollars is how much money he was worth. Salary is self explanatory. So if I'm reading that right, he's been worth more than he's been paid every year but 2005? Far more. Yes. If we could get him on a one year deal for 10 mil, we absolutely should.

What about his EqA, BABIP, LD%, and RC? Something about this post seems sarcastic...

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1070&position=OF#value Take a look at the last two columns. Dollars is how much money he was worth. Salary is self explanatory.

Mike Cameron is criminally undervalued. The problem is that all of his value comes from things that the casual baseball fan can't appreciate. He takes a ton of walks and hits for a bunch of doubles while playing an exceptional defensive center field, but without the flashy catches you'd see from a Jim Edmonds.

Jim Hendry made a lot of good moves this offseason... including the DeRosa deal. Personally, i had always been of the mind to play Pie and let him adjust (which he's finally done), but once Lou decided he couldn't bear to witness a young player trying to adjust slowly, signing Bradley was actually a good move considering what was available and the pricetags associated. He could've done better had he known Abreu's price would drop so drastically, but nobody knew that. Just because the moves didn't pan out doesn't mean he made the wrong ones. We can only judge him with the information he had available at the time.

I love how so many people that aren't racist take it personally when a player talks about racist fans. He wasn't talking about you. He was talking about the racists.

Procedural question: can stuff like that be a reason to put a guy on the DL? Because that would have been a more elegant way out of this mess, obtaining the same result (getting Bradley out of the clubhouse for the rest of the season). If we had Bradley's permission, I know it wouldn't be a problem. A lot of players have gone on the DL in the last couple years with psychological issues... Zack Greinke, Joey Votto, Dontrelle Willis, Justin Duchscherer, Khalil Greene... As to whether we could do it without his permission? I'm not sure, but I'd sincerely doubt it. At the least, I can't imagine Bradley would consent to an evaluation, which would give him a slam dunk case when the players association decides to file a grievance on his behalf.

We may just be trying to get out of keeping him on the 40 next season. Or maybe his arm is toast.

This isn't really the point of all of this (though I don't know what the point of this thread is anymore), and it's nitpicking, but factoring in defense, Bradley was below-average this year. UZR has him 2.6 runs below average. FRAA has him 6 runs over average. I imagine most metrics have him floating somewhere around average or within a few runs of it.

I don't know, but he's turning every discussion about Bradley into the kind of juvenile crap you'd see on Cubs.com.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long. I'm a troll because I 100% disagree with you? Interesting logic. You're continually asserting incorrect things after being corrected multiple times. That's an obvious failure to engage in a rational debate, and shows that you have no interest in listening to opinions other than your own. That's pretty much the definition of trolling. The fact that the other side is asserting that, for some amazing reason, players are "afraid" to speak their true minds because of some great fear of Attila the Hendry coming down on them is just as irrational, if not more, than the "incorrect" things being asserted on his side. Nobody's trolling. Its just a bad argument on both sides. Both sides of this debate are using incredibly stupid points. Get over your ridiculous message board pride and see the rational side of this, people. The truth of this is somewhere in the middle between "this is the greatest injustice ever done to a player and I hope it gets overturned" and "Bradley is the single biggest cancer since...cancer." Putting "incorrect" in quotation marks? Really? His production is a matter of public record and is fact. It's not open to interpretation. Again, from Joe Sheehan: "Bradley is fifth on the Cubs in Runs Above Replacement Player, and tied for third among their regulars with a .271 EqA." If you want the Cubs to win, the best thing you can root for is Bradley being our RF next year. There's really no way around it. On the other hand, if Bradley being on this team really makes it impossible for you to enjoy watching them, you're entitled to that opinion. But that's rooting against the Cubs for your own selfish reasons... and I can't stand people trying to point at his production as an excuse so they can feel okay about it. Why can't they just admit they'd rather this team lose a couple more games if they'd better enjoy the players on the field? It's a legitimate opinion that isn't extremely intellectually dishonest... provided they don't bitch about the Cubs front office screwing things up when we miss the playoffs by a game or two.

WOW!!! WHAT?????? No, it's called I DISAGREE 100% with you. What do you not understand about that? You also admitted you have no interest in a rational discussion about it. That's trolling.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long. I'm a troll because I 100% disagree with you? Interesting logic. You're continually asserting incorrect things after being corrected multiple times. That's an obvious failure to engage in a rational debate, and shows that you have no interest in listening to opinions other than your own. That's pretty much the definition of trolling. No, I have no interest in the three or four Bradley defenders telling me how unfair we all have been to him. That's a joke. So you admit to trolling? That's a bold move.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long. I'm a troll because I 100% disagree with you? Interesting logic. You're continually asserting incorrect things after being corrected multiple times. That's an obvious failure to engage in a rational debate, and shows that you have no interest in listening to opinions other than your own. That's pretty much the definition of trolling.

I dont think anything he said deserved being suspended for. do you think there may possibly be some "behind the scenes" incidents that we aren't privy to though? I sure hope so. Joe Sheehan pointed this out... "the last non-drug-related suspension of this length was Albert Belle's, and he threw a baseball at a fan who was heckling him from the stands." For a few comments at the media to spark such an action? It's absurd. People haven't been suspended this long when they've been accused of beating their wives.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long.

Jesus... He performed like a league average RF. I understand the desire to have something to point at besides your own personal feelings about the guy, but continuing to bitch about his production like it's a good reason to hate him is absurd and just makes you look like an ass. It's completely offbase and if you'd read any of this thread, you'd know that.

I need to learn to stop clicking "show this post" when I know I put these people on my foe list for being idiots...

No. Jake Fox is a horrific outfielder. I'm all for making him work his ass off out there to see if he can become passable enough that his bat can cover him... but I'd be shocked if he ever manages it.

And to the idea that speed somehow better suits a player to the top of the order, that's backwards as well. Stolen bases are actually better utilized at the bottom of a lineup, where the batters are less likely to hit for extra bases.

That's not really true. But the idea of acquiring a top of the order hitter is working backwards. Find the best 8 hitters you can, and then tweak the batting order to maximize value.

JD Drew's is a horrible deal? He's been worth over $18 mil each of the last two years in Boston. That deal is actually looking like a bargain.

i won't speak for him or the other fans who didn't like him because he's a dick, but in my opinion, it matters because i find it a whole heck of a lot easier to root for a good human being who plays for my team than a dick who plays for my team. for example: i can root for a good story like bobby scales very easily this season even though he has a fraction of the talent that milton bradley has. i would like for my team to be a bunch of good guys who can play ball. if we had a bunch of players who had world class elite level talent but acted like (synonym for donkeys) who made up the entirety of the cubs roster for the year, i would openly be an indians fan until the roster turned over to get those bad attitudes out. i won't trade a championship for a bunch of 5 cent attitudes. And you know what? That's fine. If you decide that his personality is so bad that it makes it hard for you to root for the Cubs, that's your call. What I have a problem with are the people who are pretending this is somehow good for the Cubs, instead of just admitting that they want him gone purely for selfish reasons.