That may be, but do you really think he's worse than Macias? I mean that's what were talking about here. Nobody is claiming that Grieve is some outstanding player. The point is, he's better than Macias. As is Kelton for that matter. It seems fairly obvious to me. But that's a different point than the fact that Grieve sucks - Macias sucks too, but Grive is not a big upgrade over Macias to me. Things like attitude, versatility, yes, even body-language, all these things count to the guys on the field. Is Grieve better than Macias, yes, but not by a significant amount IMHO and he still definitely sucks. Grieve can't even hit in AAA -all he can do is not make contact. All Macias can do is provide defensive versatility and that's more useful out of your 25th man to me. You are missing the point. As Sporrer recently pointed out, this is not a replace Macias with Grieve deal. Send down the extra pitcher and bring up Grieve. Grieve could be used as trade fodder or could provide extra punch off the bench. Some of you are focusing only on Grieve's current AVG, then stating he can't even hit minor league pitching. He has 12 HR's, which means he can hit. He also has good plate patience, something the Cubs offense lacks in the worst way. These are not horrible things, regardless of how passionately you dislike the BB. I will once again ask you all how many times we have watched our own team walk a guy at the beginning of an inning, and how many times have we watched the guy come around and score? Seems like it happens every time. May not seem like much, but how many 1 run games have we lost this year? How many of those games might have had a different outcome if we had a guy who showed a little more patience at the plate, drew an early inning walk, and came around to score? No one is saying Grieve is the savior of this team. He would just be another bat off the bench, the second biggest weakness this team currently has behind a weak hitting offense in the everyday line up. This offense needs all the help it can get. Dusty doesn't trust Dubois or Cedeno in any type of role, so bring up a veteran that can provide a little pop off the bench. There are no guys who will provide high AVG, high OBP and high OPS off the bench. If they had all that, they'd be playing everyday. While Hollandsworth is playing everyday, we need a comparable bat to Hollandsworth to fill in off the bench. And finally, Grieve is not replacing Macias. He's replacing a seldom used arm in the pen.